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re: Welfare queen farmers want a bailout.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 9:43 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/7/25 at 9:43 am to SlowFlowPro
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This actually sounds like the perfect market opportunity for imports to cause market disruptions. Do we have tariffs that make it more difficult to import this heavy machinery?
Honestly don’t know, but there are plenty of foreign brands sold here. But a lot of individual brands fall under a parent company like CNH (case, farmall, new holland) and AGCO (Massey Ferguson, Valtra, Allis Chalmers, Duetz, Challenger, GSI, Rogator)
All of the above are equally bad as far as the current discussion on service charges and such.
Claas is a German manufacturer of large farm equipment that I see more of. I don’t know how they are reliability wise or their prices and quality of service.
Then you have companies like Kubota, Yanmar, Mahindra that are foreign and pretty decent quality but they don’t make the large tractors and combines. And Kubota usually sells at Case dealerships and uses their service dept and infrastructure
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Posted on 4/7/25 at 9:44 am to TBoy
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can't for the life of me understand why any farmer would have voted for Trump. But they did, and this is what they voted for.
Because the left constantly attacks farmers and want to eliminate meat production and their absurd environmental policies make farming even more difficult
Posted on 4/7/25 at 9:52 am to LemmyLives
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The farm/grain lobby has been fricking every single American for longer than ethanol blending mandates have been around, but the forced use of ethanol in fuel also impacted food prices around the world
I don’t disagree here. Ethanol is bullshite. It partly contributed to the decrease in catfish farming because feed went sky high after ethanol mandates came along.
Govt needs to end those mandates and address the high input costs by deregulation of EPA standards, allowing farmers to hold grain to replant the next year, and go after BigAgs seed and chemical companies that are basically monopolies. And bring back several banned pesticides and herbicides that were cheaper and more effective
Posted on 4/7/25 at 9:56 am to theronswanson
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Posted on 4/7/25 at 10:04 am to deltaland
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Govt needs to end those mandates and address the high input costs by deregulation of EPA standards,
Especially emissions on equipment
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Govt needs to end those mandates and address the high input costs by deregulation of EPA standards, allowing farmers to hold grain to replant the next year, and go after BigAgs seed and chemical companies that are basically monopolies. And bring back several banned pesticides and herbicides that were cheaper and more effective
That might be impossible unless we could go back to older conventional seed. Then you will lose yield and possibly a lot of technology in seed.
I know you know this. Your new varieties have been bred in conjunction with certain chemicals. The resistant seed technology is easy to frick up if it cross breeds. The prices are still outrageous though.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 10:06 am to SallysHuman
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Making sure farmers can keep farming seems like a good idea. I'm not well versed on this issue, I'm sure there is nuance... but food is good.
I would rather help farmers than some dumbass "green" startup. Those get billions and never amount to anything.
As much as America needs to bring back manufacturing we already have farming here. Lets keep it here. A country that is dependent on other countries for food is not likely to survive.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 10:16 am to SallysHuman
Farmers borrow money from certain banks and the government guarantees 90% of loans to the banks where they have no risk. Some loans are never paid but yet the farmer can go back and do the same year after year. We need farmers but they cost tax payers millions every year.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 10:18 am to Tiger on the Rag
quote:Not every loan is a 90/10 baw.
Farmers borrow money from certain banks and the government guarantees 90% of loans to the banks where they have no risk. Some loans are never paid but yet the farmer can go back and do the same year after year. We need farmers but they cost tax payers millions every year.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 10:23 am to theronswanson
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It’s total bullshite if we give this group ANOTHER bailout.
Food security is our greatest strength. It is literally an existential issue, and it's what allowed the US to become the economic superpower it is today. What do you think was the primary catalyst for the collapse of the communist bloc in Europe? You're fricking stupid if you think we won't protect it while we're negotiating trade deals.
This isn't because of natural market events or their own inefficiencies. Trump is literally forcing people to the negotiating table, and if we're good with that, then we've got to be good with protective measures for critical industries while he's negotiating.
We can easily outlast any country (or the EU) in the world at this game, but not if we pull the rug out from under our most critical industries.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 10:24 am to Tiger on the Rag
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Farmers borrow money from certain banks and the government guarantees 90% of loans to the banks where they have no risk. Some loans are never paid but yet the farmer can go back and do the same year after year.
If you are talking about a USDA FSA loan guarantee, it is the lender who is protected, not the farmer. If a farmer has caused FSA a loss previously, they are ineligible for an FSA loan (both direct and guaranteed)
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:03 am to Tiger on the Rag
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Farmers borrow money from certain banks and the government guarantees 90% of loans to the banks where they have no risk. Some loans are never paid but yet the farmer can go back and do the same year after year. We need farmers but they cost tax payers millions every year.
Totally not true
Where do y’all get this shite from ?
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:17 am to LARancher1991
Because sugar production in this country cannot exist profitably without subsidies. We pay 3X what we should pay for sugar in this country. We should import all sugar from the Caribbean and wed pay less.
But sugar is relatively cheap anyway, so we pretend it's all good.
Don't you find it funny that Coke... the most "American" of all products sold across the world, tastes better due to being made with real sugar everywhere else in the world...except America?
But sugar is relatively cheap anyway, so we pretend it's all good.
Don't you find it funny that Coke... the most "American" of all products sold across the world, tastes better due to being made with real sugar everywhere else in the world...except America?
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:33 am to theronswanson
These so called welfare queens are keeping food on the table. They should be helped, unlike the illegals crossing the border and the ungrateful Europeans asking for protection.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:37 am to DocYatesVA
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These so called welfare queens are keeping food on the table.
Food prices are at historic highs AND the farmers want a government bailout. In exchange, are food prices going to be reduced? If not, then no bailout.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:38 am to deltaland
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AGCO (Massey Ferguson, Valtra, Allis Chalmers, Duetz, Challenger, GSI, Rogator)
All of the above are equally bad as far as the current discussion on service charges and such.
Claas is a German manufacturer of large farm equipment that I see more of. I don’t know how they are reliability wise or their prices and quality of service.
They are all the same on the right to repair stuff and the service and quality is the same or worse than JD or Case
Biggest problems on the equipment side is the def which our international competition doesn't have and the forced consolidations of dealerships by Case and JD
There are 2 people who own the JD dealerships in LA and only 1 who owns all the Case dealerships. 15-20 years ago it was 4 or 5 and they would have to actually care about parts price and service plus you could shop around and they would cut more deals
Also for new equipment Case and JD don't allow their dealerships to sell outside their territories
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:39 am to theronswanson
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Food prices are at historic highs AND the farmers want a government bailout. In exchange, are food prices going to be reduced? If not, then no bailout.
lol at you thinking farmers set the food prices
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:39 am to theronswanson
That tariff Canada put on coffee WTF? What a killer for the US farmers as we grow little to none.
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:41 am to Tarps99
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Where can I find a chicken tree? Didn’t know chicken was grown unless you count the lab made Beyond Meat Ch’ken products.
winner winner chicken dinner dumbest post of the day award!!!!
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:41 am to LARancher1991
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I'm guessing you grow your own food and slaughter your own animals?
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theronswanson
He just might
Posted on 4/7/25 at 11:42 am to theronswanson
Didn't Donald just tell them to start growing a whole lot more food because they were going to be selling so much they'd be swimming in money? Or some such nonsense?
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