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re: We should all be pissed off about the Affordable Care Act. Obamacare

Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:41 pm to
Posted by Nole Man
Somewhere In Tennessee!
Member since May 2011
8685 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:41 pm to
I understand the concern, and not saying ACA as currently configured isn't without its problems, but don’t think the evidence fully supports the claims that the ACA caused insurance instability or higher costs. Instead, provisions like guaranteed issue and essential benefit mandates stabilized the market, expanded coverage and curbed cost growth.

Many Americans now pay less out-of-pocket due to ACA subsidies. Assertions that premiums skyrocketed ignore that typical family plans—even employer-based—already cost thousands per month. While healthcare costs remain an issue, trends since the ACA show slower increases.

Transitions to broader public programs would also involve premiums or taxes, as Medicare already does. Policy analysis does not support the idea that the ACA was designed to raise costs or push toward a single-payer system.

Some Research:

Has ACA Led To Hire Costs?

Premiums Would Double In 2026

Either way for me it's a moot point because Republican leaders in 2017 and the Trump Administration attempted, and failed, to repeal and replace the ACA. NONE passed due to lack of full GOP support in the Senate. As a result, the ACA remained in force, leading to efforts for market stabilization and incremental policy changes instead of broad repeal.

Where have they been since 2017 with ANY alternative?

That's the real crux of the problem to me. Let ACA die on the vine. But you have to have some kind of alternative for the millions that rely on it currently. Can't just say "tough shite".
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
46445 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:47 pm to
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exercise and eat right and only go to the doctor once a year (for annual physical) like any normal person. I am on no prescription medications because I am not an obese diabetic slob. Its not normal to be on a shite ton of prescriptions or obese. Its abnormal. I also have a job and insurance through my company. So in closing: Get a job that provides employer covered insurance Don't be obese Don't be a diabetic


What an asinine comment
Disease or bad fortune can fall on someone at the drop off a hat.

Type 1 isn’t because of bad eating

Hopefully, you continue to have good fortune but the sanctimonious BS you spewed is ridiculous
Posted by Long and Tall
Member since Oct 2025
104 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:47 pm to
One positive thing out of the ACA is the elimination of being denied health coverage for pre-existing conditions,
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125550 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:49 pm to
That just means it’s not insurance.
Posted by Long and Tall
Member since Oct 2025
104 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:50 pm to
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That just means it’s not insurance.


It literally is insurance.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125550 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:51 pm to
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don’t think the evidence fully supports the claims that the ACA caused insurance instability or higher costs.


Sure.

Eliminating policy maximums and exclusions for pre-existing conditions don’t cost anything. It’s all free and pie in the sky.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125550 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 12:53 pm to
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It literally is insurance.


The concept of insurance is predicated on unexpected events. Pre-existing conditions are expected and known.

My insurance company adding your pre-existing condition to the risk pool just increases all our costs.
Posted by RohanGonzales
Member since Apr 2024
8343 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 1:46 pm to
I got it to bridge the gap from when I retired at 62 to when I get to 65.

I forget what my "nonsubsidized" premium is but I pay about $40/month because I appear poor do to all my net worth growth being capital gains.

Thank y'all.
Posted by TigerCoon
Member since Nov 2005
22466 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 1:52 pm to
Apparently, folks are missing your joke
Posted by PurpleCrush
ATL
Member since May 2014
1471 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 2:04 pm to
Everyone needs health care at some time.

So, what is the best option for all to have it if you are not covered by an employer?

Other countries get it, the US instead profits off of the health care system.
Posted by FlyDownTheField83
Auburn AL
Member since Dec 2021
1368 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 2:07 pm to
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…sanctimonious BS you spewed…


While I agree he was somewhat talking down to people, you should realize your comments are more despicable. The problem is that people are unwilling to confront the uncomfortable truth that our health care system is designed to do two things: make money for providers, and pull more people into more frequently using health care in all its forms.

People like you are programmed to knee jerk to, “you question the system and that means you want poor unhealthy people to not get the help they need when they are dying from cancer,….you are an evil person”….that is ridiculous.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
46445 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 3:38 pm to
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The problem is that people are unwilling to confront the uncomfortable truth that our health care system is designed to do two things: make money for providers, and pull more people into more frequently using health care in all its forms.


That’s the truth but not everyone using HC fits into his “well, you’re fat” narrative
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
19558 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 3:41 pm to
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McCain would skull frick you for saying this.

Dude is a POW and likely more of a man than your father. You pussy.
ummmm

you do realize he’s been dead for 7 years, dont you?
Posted by Longhorn Actual
Member since Dec 2023
2896 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 3:46 pm to
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I recall some commentators saying that it's true purpose was to break our entire health care system so that the People would demand Universal Health Care paid for by FedGov.


Cloward-Piven
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135699 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 3:50 pm to
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no one with a brain would have approved this if the truth would have been known.
Whoa!
Nope.
Sorry.

Anyone with a brain knew the truth before those without a brain approved it.

Obamacare was a bridge to full-on socialized medicine. It was designed to fail. Its failure would leave us "no choice" but communized healthcare, which Hillary was set to implement.
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
11067 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 3:56 pm to
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What an asinine comment


Asinine is Trump saying since 2015 he would repeal and replace Obamacare and has yet to do it and offers up no plan or anything just uses his usual buzz words like it will be ‘fantastic’ ‘fabulous’ etc
Posted by hawkeye007
Member since Feb 2010
6073 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 3:59 pm to
15yrs later and we are no closer to a single payer system. what this bill has done is line the pockets of the insurance industry. The GOP doesn't care and the DEMS will never admit the the chosen one's biggest win is complete dogshit.
Posted by Flavius Belisarius
Member since Feb 2016
940 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 4:09 pm to
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I guess I'm still pissed there has still been nothing done to improve, replace or anything to offer options for those that need it. That's on our politicians.


Perhaps not mandate maternity coverage for men or postmenopausal women? That would be a start.
Posted by GeorgePaton
God's Country
Member since May 2017
5090 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 4:12 pm to
I was pissed off (and have stayed p/o'd) from the moment Nancy Pelosi arrogantly looked at us and said,"We have to pass the bill, before we know what's in it". I couldn't believe my ears when I heard the ***** say that.

Democrats are liars, cheats, arrogant narcissistic buffoons........and that's the good ones. Sitting on top of that pile of excrement - Nancy Pelosi.

I enjoyed watching her squirm and twitch in her chair during President Trump's last State of Union Speech. She should be in jail for the shennanigans she pulled during that orchestrated J6 Entrapment.

Her name was Ashli Babbitt.

President Trump is right about..........everything


Posted by Nole Man
Somewhere In Tennessee!
Member since May 2011
8685 posts
Posted on 10/23/25 at 5:32 pm to
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Eliminating policy maximums and exclusions for pre-existing conditions don’t cost anything. It’s all free and pie in the sky.


Sure, eliminating maximums and pre-existing condition exclusions is not “free” or “pie in the sky.” It redistributes and increases expected health-care costs, and someone — consumers, employers, insurers, or taxpayers — ultimately pays unless offset by explicit funding or risk-sharing mechanisms.

The issue is "risk pools" and having enough enrollees to effectively spread the risk. The current individual insurance market does not handle risk pooling effectively. Many people—especially those with medical conditions—either struggle to find coverage or have to pay extremely high premiums. Furthermore, individuals often encounter a confusing variety of insurance plans and must decide which is best suited to their needs. Small businesses in many states also deal with similar difficulties.

Risk Pool Considerations

Finally, here's a personal and anecdotal story. Have a child with hemophilia. Through no fault of his own, he got a bleed, had to be admitted to the hospital with "compartment syndrome", a situation where increased pressure within a closed muscle compartment that reduces blood flow and impairs nerve and muscle function, potentially causing permanent damage if not treated promptly.

He had to have surgery or would have lost his leg. Guess what the total charge was for the stay, surgeon, factor etc.? $550k. Had I not had good employer-based insurance they might not have done the surgery, or we might have faced financial hardships and/or bankruptcy.

So I ask you. What should people with hereditary diseases like that do, particularly if they can't get employer-based coverage? Go bankrupt? Just die because they can't afford care? That's the role ACA was supposed to play and our politicians have failed us miserably.

PS: Being overweight and obesity lead to personal health issues, reduced productivity, and major economic burdens. Direct medical expenses reach hundreds of billions, while total societal costs—including lost productivity—are estimated in the trillions. No one ever talks about that. Wonder why.



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