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re: We probably have not hit Iran with bunker busters yet b/c of the technical challenges.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 12:40 pm to SundayFunday
Posted on 6/20/25 at 12:40 pm to SundayFunday
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Can these bunker busters be used in sequence to get deeper and deeper?
Yes. Addressed earlier in the thread.
Under optimal conditions they can reach a target 60 meters below ground. This is not optimal conditions (rock and reinforced concrete, not sandy soil).
And I don't believe the earth is removed after each successive explosion because the detonation takes place so deep.
But just hammering the site with 50 or so bunker busters might be able to eventually get deep enough.
I'm sure the military has data on what is needed. In this thread I'm just trying to point out the obvious technical challenges and risk involved of not being successful that Trump has to deal with when making the decision.
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 12:40 pm to I20goon
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We should consider using refuelers to drop 10's of thousands of gallons of Fabuloso on down any shafts we can find.
That should render it useless for about 30 years.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 12:42 pm to NC_Tigah
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You're assuming we'll hit the facility itself rather than the accesses to it.
Hitting access point probably buys us a few months. It may have to become a regularly scheduled event.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 12:42 pm to SundayFunday
The bombs while accurate are likely not accurate enough that they can be used in sequence and stacked like drill pipe.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 12:43 pm to GumboPot
Spot on GumboPot
Would’ve been done already if it was easy.
Iran has likely moved stuff even deeper this week. A strike will not happen
Would’ve been done already if it was easy.
Iran has likely moved stuff even deeper this week. A strike will not happen
Posted on 6/20/25 at 12:46 pm to GumboPot
quote:Almost makes you wonder- did the Israelis watch that movie, analyze it, and say "yeah, we could do that with enough planning", and start working on it?quote:
Is it just me or is this the exact plot to Top Gun: Maverick? Seriously.
Very similar.
I mean, you take the basic plot, and say:
1) hey, we have to knock out those SAM sites to make it easier on the targeting run
2) we need air supremacy, so we don't have to worry about interceptors attacking the run
The movie was a quick strike with limited timeframe to do so, so that kept the SAMs and enemy fighters in play (adding to the excitement). Reality is you don't want excitement, so the Israelis are knocking out all the defenses prior to making runs. They just need the correct bombs to drop.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 12:47 pm to I20goon
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IF the Chinese are evacuating their leadership, including Khamenei, I say let them continue.
BUT, as you stated... we don't know that is the case.
I’d be more worried the Chinese are flying in advanced anti-aircraft systems to test on the US jets.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 12:47 pm to Great Plains Tiger
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The bombs while accurate are likely not accurate enough that they can be used in sequence and stacked like drill pipe.
They are military grade GPS controlled. They can stack them like drill pipe.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 12:50 pm to GumboPot
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We probably have not hit Iran with bunker busters yet b/c of the technical challenges.
That technical challenge is you need Trump to order an attack. He has not done so, so no attack has been made
Posted on 6/20/25 at 12:55 pm to tigeraddict
Experts say the GBU-57 MOP can actually hit at 350 feet (106.68 meter). They say the military always downplays a weapon;'s true effectiveness. It can cause the Fordow to implode. So, it is more than effective. Also, using precision GPS you can send a second missile down the same hole (missile gangbang) to further increase its effectiveness.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 6/20/25 at 1:04 pm to Goforit
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Experts say the GBU-57 MOP can actually hit at 350 feet (106.68 meter).
Hmmm. This is the deepest I've heard. I thought it was 60 meters under optimal conditions. You may be right though.
With that said, I'm very confident that the depth of penetration is geology dependent.
The New-Natanz facility is 150 meters deep.
On an interesting side note, the GBU-57 MOP uses an alloyed steel with approximately 300,000 psi yield strength. Commercial stainless steel has a yield strength of 70,000 psi. The main alloying components in this steel are cobalt and titanium.
On another side note, this is the kind of steel that needs to be used to build deep-sea subs to visit deep-sea sites like the Titanic. Screw carbon fiber for this application.
Posted on 6/20/25 at 1:07 pm to GumboPot
Wouldn't you really just need to destroy their infrastructure/access?
Posted on 6/20/25 at 1:38 pm to fr33manator
The facility is underground so with a MOP it will destroy everything. It will implode!
Posted on 6/20/25 at 1:51 pm to GumboPot
How do the Iranians get to their bunkers that deep in the ground?
Can’t we at least bomb the shite out of their way down?
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