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re: We only have 1 plant that produces steel used for our electric grid.

Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:46 pm to
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:46 pm to
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Posted by Toddy
Why do conservatives live in constant fear?
Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:50 pm to
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So if everything you believe is actually true you just provided an example of thy tarrifs are a bad idea

So let's review what you believe

1. They are the only plant that produces electrical steel (this is actually false but we'll get into that later)

2. They are incapable of producing the amount we need

So all a tax does is make these ever so critical materials more expensive and hurts the American consumer

Brilliant!



All of this. We are jumping into this way too fast and it is causing a clusterfrick in the industry.

And I can confirm DOMESTIC mills are already raising their prices as well, which anyone with a brain knew would happen.
Posted by Canada_Baw
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:57 pm to
Price increase is affordable in the current economic climate. Long-term result is far more important. China will blink, Trump will get NAFTA reworked, and domestic investment will increase.
It is a complicated situation to measure the impact this could have on downstream users but short-term: bad, long-term: awesome (IMO).
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 12:59 pm to
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Price increase is affordable in the current economic climate. Long-term result is far more important. China will blink, Trump will get NAFTA reworked, and domestic investment will increase.
It is a complicated situation to measure the impact this could have on downstream users but short-term: bad, long-term: awesome (IMO).



China makes up a very small portion of our steel imports dude
Posted by Canada_Baw
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:00 pm to
Transhipping dude
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Posted by OBReb6
Memphissippi
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:01 pm to
Where this is going to hurt is steel consuming companies which have international competition, especially Canadian competition that can offer similar lead times.
Posted by Canada_Baw
Member since Dec 2017
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 1:05 pm to
One such Canadian steel company (fairly large) pipe and coil plant near me is owned by a Russian to be fair.

Plant

Owner

This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 1:07 pm
Posted by rooster108bm
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 2:17 pm to
Motor laminate is not produced by only one plant. I know for a fact USS makes it. There isnt any difference in manufacturing it over normal flat roll used for autos and refrigerators. The difference lies in what alloys are added to give it the magnetic properties desired.
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 2:41 pm to
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Motor laminate is not produced by only one plant. I know for a fact USS makes it. There isnt any difference in manufacturing it over normal flat roll used for autos and refrigerators. The difference lies in what alloys are added to give it the magnetic properties desired.



Simple yes or no. Is there more than 1 plant that produces electrical steel for LPT? It's that simple.

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Posted by Evolved Simian
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 2:41 pm to
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Why do conservatives live in constant fear?


Says the guy who's fearmongering about legislation to curb school shootings, which is statistically almost the LEAST likely way a child will die.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 2:43 pm to
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we can not produce enough to get the grid back up!



We only have the one steel plant in the US, period?
Posted by rooster108bm
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 2:48 pm to
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Simple yes or no. Is there more than 1 plant that produces electrical steel for LPT? It's that simple. 


Produces? Maybe. Only one thats capable? Absolutely not. See the difference.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 2:49 pm to
It would be tight if the grid went down

Live innawoods and hunt and plant and maybe rebuild society once the ebt crowd moves on
Posted by Jjdoc
Cali
Member since Mar 2016
55430 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 3:00 pm to
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We only have the one steel plant in the US, period?



Read the thread
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 3:24 pm to
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Simple yes or no. Is there more than 1 plant that produces electrical steel for LPT? It's that simple.

Yes. There is a plant in Chicago. Now logout and go read some books or something
Posted by Kickadawgitfeelsgood
Lafayette LA
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 5:37 pm to
When are the tariffs to start?

Posted by Cruiserhog
Little Rock
Member since Apr 2008
10460 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 5:41 pm to
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You need to research this a little more.


why the dumbass OP is talking about repairing the infrastructure steel of the grid, not the transformers and unshielded components that would be rendered useless in the event of an EMP, which I would wager is what you are referring to by your comment.
Posted by Canada_Baw
Member since Dec 2017
2488 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 5:49 pm to
You sir are an idiot ...
JJDOCS post about what he is talking about:

quote:

Electrical steel sheets are used as magnetic cores for everything from power generators to transformers to motors. Efficient electrical steels are essential to modern life.


Posted by Cruiserhog
Little Rock
Member since Apr 2008
10460 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 6:00 pm to
jesus christ dude, even if that was the context its not noted in the original post and in the context of the dude i was posting too.

and in the event of an emp attack, which is what im assuming you idiots are concerned about....we will never have enough steel to repair all those destroyed....it would take years to repair the grid, there are millions, tens of millions of unshielded components...so again....

that would be the least of your worries.
Posted by Smart Post
Member since Feb 2018
3539 posts
Posted on 3/6/18 at 6:10 pm to
We couldn't rebuild Europe or go to the moon or deport a ton of Mexicans under Eisenhower, either.

Oh, wait...

Damn boy, JFK would be so disappointed in you. That's your buddy's (Bill Clinton) hero.
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 6:11 pm
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