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re: We only have 1 plant that produces steel used for our electric grid.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:06 am to BugAC
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:06 am to BugAC
One definition
Wkipedia
You can google more if you need.
Electrical steel has special magnetic properties. Its used to upgrade and maintain various components that comprise the electrical grid including transformers.
AK steel, believe, is the only American (not sure about Canada/Mexico) that produces these types of materials.
AK Steel
There was a video floating around a few weeks ago where trump discussed enacting the national security measure for tariffs (they went around the table). The senators present were the ones who mentioned electrical steel and AK as the only North American manufacturer. I will try to find link.
Wkipedia
You can google more if you need.
Electrical steel has special magnetic properties. Its used to upgrade and maintain various components that comprise the electrical grid including transformers.
AK steel, believe, is the only American (not sure about Canada/Mexico) that produces these types of materials.
AK Steel
There was a video floating around a few weeks ago where trump discussed enacting the national security measure for tariffs (they went around the table). The senators present were the ones who mentioned electrical steel and AK as the only North American manufacturer. I will try to find link.
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 11:12 am
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:07 am to Powerman
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As someone who works in the electrical industry I find this observation of his to be laughably stupid and irrelevant
Maybe 1 plant is sufficient for whatever "electrical steel" he is talking about.
You work in the electrical industry and you find it it laughable? You find it stupid. Maybe it's sufficient...
That's pretty telling............
Yes electrical steel is a thingie little one
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Electrical steels are essential for the electromagnetic machines that power our world. Electrical steel sheets are used as magnetic cores for everything from power generators to transformers to motors. Efficient electrical steels are essential to modern life. Power generation is the transformation of mechanical energy into electricity from various types of turbines. The energy created is immediately fed into large power transformers to increase the voltage for efficient transmission of energy over long distances.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:07 am to BugAC
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What the hell is electrical steel?
You don't know what that is yet you are telling me I'm telling false information. WOW!
LINK
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Electrical steels are essential for the electromagnetic machines that power our world. Electrical steel sheets are used as magnetic cores for everything from power generators to transformers to motors. Efficient electrical steels are essential to modern life. Power generation is the transformation of mechanical energy into electricity from various types of turbines. The energy created is immediately fed into large power transformers to increase the voltage for efficient transmission of energy over long distances.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:09 am to BugAC
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Yeah, there is no description other than "electrical steel" which is not a type of steel.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:23 am to Canada_Baw
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Canada_Baw
Thank you. This is what i wanted to know. I didn't know if he was talking in general terms such as "electrical steel" and referencing every component in electrical systems or referencing a certain type. This helps and i learned something!
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Electrical steel is also known as silicon electrical steel, lamination steel and relay steel.
this is what i was hoping he would divulge. Rather than saying "electrical steel". It's like someone saying we only have 1 alloy steel producer...well there are many alloy types.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:25 am to Jjdoc
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You don't know what that is yet you are telling me I'm telling false information. WOW!
Your OP is vague at best with no links and no information on the steel type nor the plant that makes it. You also have not shown any bona fides that show that you know anything about electrical components, so forgive me if i think you are talking out of your arse when you don't provide a link until the 2nd page of your thread after being asked numerous times.
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 11:26 am
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:26 am to Powerman
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Or maybe these businesses need to do a better job of competing and not rely on protectionist policies
Well one point that's been said is regulations are a lot heavier here, which is very costly. Also, why should they compete more when they could just go where it's cheaper to make, cheaper to export, etc. Why should we not help keep businesses here? And we are in two steps...lower taxes here, raise taxes on imports.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:28 am to BugAC
He has still not demonstrated that this is relevant
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:31 am to Jjdoc
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Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:33 am to BugAC
No.... You just thought you had a gotcha moment and acted like an arse and ASSuming that it can't be right.
Bona fides like your pal POWERMAN who is a bona fide man of the industry who assured you there was no such thing as electrical steel!
Like I said. For what ever reason, you needed to lash out and it got the better of you today.
Care to get back to the topic?
We have one plant that produces only 15% of the electrical steel we need. A LPT takes up to 2 years to build. 70% of LPTs are 30 years old.
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bona fides
Bona fides like your pal POWERMAN who is a bona fide man of the industry who assured you there was no such thing as electrical steel!
Like I said. For what ever reason, you needed to lash out and it got the better of you today.
Care to get back to the topic?
We have one plant that produces only 15% of the electrical steel we need. A LPT takes up to 2 years to build. 70% of LPTs are 30 years old.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:35 am to Jjdoc
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Should a war take place or should the supplier "cut off" the USA and a terrorist attack happens, we can not produce enough to get the grid back up!
Or we could have some of our steel plants produce the "electric steel" you speak of.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:35 am to Powerman
There's the bona fide man of the industry that says there is no such thing as electrical steel.
It should be common sense.
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He has still not demonstrated that this is relevant
It should be common sense.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:38 am to boogiewoogie1978
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Or we could have some of our steel plants produce the "electric steel" you speak of.
Wave a magic wand? Takes time to switch over if at all possible.
Point is we are not self reliant at all right now. That's a problem.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:38 am to Jjdoc
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It should be common sense.
You still have not explained the political relevance.
Usually things that idiots like you think are common sense are anything but that.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:41 am to Powerman
Sure thing bona fide "no such thing as electrical steel" Powerman.
What ever you say!
Get on topic man. We don't produce enough, we only have 1 plant. Should something happen, we could be down for years.
We need to be self sufficient.
What ever you say!
Get on topic man. We don't produce enough, we only have 1 plant. Should something happen, we could be down for years.
We need to be self sufficient.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:43 am to boogiewoogie1978
I believe the ability to domestically produce products such as electrical steel is very important for National Security purposes. It is also important to have successful producers that operate now. Innovation, efficiency, skilled workers could possibly all be lost to a Foreign power that poses a potential threat to the sovereignty of the United States.
The lag to rebuild the industry, retrain workers, refurbish plants if supplies were cutoff could be devastating.
Also Trump’s other economic policies (reduced taxes, reduced regulations, electrical costs coming down) have created an environment where he can risk the destabilizing nature of blanket tariffs if only to leverage China into stopping transshipping and dumping low quality oversupply on the U.S. If they do blink, domestic investment will definitely increase.
(No links just the way I see it)
The lag to rebuild the industry, retrain workers, refurbish plants if supplies were cutoff could be devastating.
Also Trump’s other economic policies (reduced taxes, reduced regulations, electrical costs coming down) have created an environment where he can risk the destabilizing nature of blanket tariffs if only to leverage China into stopping transshipping and dumping low quality oversupply on the U.S. If they do blink, domestic investment will definitely increase.
(No links just the way I see it)
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:44 am to Jjdoc
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We need to be self sufficient.
No such thing in this modern economy
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:45 am to BugAC
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Without clarification from the OP of what he means by "electrical steel" this is merely an exercise in self gratification with no substance.
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:45 am to Jjdoc
I think the point that OP is trying to make is an argument for capacity payments.
We know the old farmers joke about being in the 'not raising hogs', etc. business from when the government pays farmers not to farm.
What the government is actually paying for is known as a capacity payment. The farmer (or plant, industry, etc.) is being paid to keep its facilities and skilled people intact should the shite hit the fan.
This way you are not beholden to foreign farms or industry or that shipping could be choked off to your shores.
If you let those people close shop and lose those skills, you won't have the local capacity to makes guns, feed yourself, produce vehicles, weapons, etc.
We know the old farmers joke about being in the 'not raising hogs', etc. business from when the government pays farmers not to farm.
What the government is actually paying for is known as a capacity payment. The farmer (or plant, industry, etc.) is being paid to keep its facilities and skilled people intact should the shite hit the fan.
This way you are not beholden to foreign farms or industry or that shipping could be choked off to your shores.
If you let those people close shop and lose those skills, you won't have the local capacity to makes guns, feed yourself, produce vehicles, weapons, etc.
This post was edited on 3/6/18 at 11:50 am
Posted on 3/6/18 at 11:46 am to Jjdoc
Why do conservatives live in constant fear?
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