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Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:05 am to Korkstand
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I can't tell which half you're talking about.
Yes, you can. One ideological wing hates the very idea of an America they perceive was founded by rich, white slaveowners. Like petulant children, if something isn't pristine perfect in their eyes, it is irredeemably evil and, therefore, must be destroyed.
The other wing (however flawed you might think it to be), LOVES America.
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 7:06 am
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:29 am to imjustafatkid
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He's an avowed socialist.
Let him live in Argentina a few years and he will get over that real quick.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:30 am to Korkstand
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I can't tell which half you're talking about.
You've revealed yourself
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:34 am to Korkstand
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by Korkstand
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You don’t give half of the country to people who hate and want to destroy it.
I can't tell which half you're talking about.
^^^ Certainly would expect you “can’t tell!”
Democrats can’t tell much of anything anyway
Posted on 9/25/19 at 7:34 am to Korkstand
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I haven't met a single lefty that wants open borders
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:14 am to Madking
quote:I agree.
Lying and changing the title of something doesn’t change the substance
quote:So why do you keep doing this? You just said lying and changing the title doesn't change the substance, yet here you are doing it.
those policies are open border policies
An open border policy means people can come and go as they please with no penalty. Can you name a single prominent dem advocating for that? I doubt it. So you shove every idea left of yours to the fringe left.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:15 am to ShortyRob
quote:Oh come on. This is in no way, shape, or form comparable to rape.
"I don't support rape but I don't think it should be illegal and I don't want any preventative measures taken and if someone does rape I want them protected in my city and will do my best to prevent the cops from arresting them......... But like I said......... I don't support rape."
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:15 am to SabiDojo
quote:Can you define "open borders"?
It’s a huge part of the Democratic Party platform.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:21 am to Korkstand
quote:Warren is as close as you can get without actually being open borders, that is if you strictly use that one definition.
Can you name a single prominent dem advocating for that?
She wants to fully decriminalize border crossings, decriminalize border crossing after being deported before, disband ICE and replace it with “something that reflects our values”, and give illegal immigrants access to taxpayer funded health insurance, as we saw in the debate where she raised her hand in the affirmative.
This post was edited on 9/25/19 at 8:23 am
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:26 am to Meauxjeaux
quote:Honestly? Because it's a Trump campaign promise, same reason Trump fights so hard for it. I think most who are opposed though see it as a knee-jerk and ineffective solution that doesn't address the real problem(s).
So if they don’t want open borders, why do they fight the wall tooth and nail?
But no wall does not equal "open borders".
And where the hell you been on slack?
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:28 am to Scruffy
They want to do away with legal penalties from crossing the border, do away with the organization that enforces immigration, and create even more welfare policies that specifically make coming across the border and living here more enticing than it already is. But nope, they don’t want open borders. Dems change the meaning of words on the fly to fit their narrative while trying to not piss of the center. They think everyone is stupid and we need them to educate and save us.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:31 am to Ace Midnight
quote:Do you honestly not realize that you're describing a small minority? The vast majority of the left loves America, loves capitalism, loves and respects LEOs, etc etc. The left and right have way more in common that most here want to believe.
Yes, you can. One ideological wing hates the very idea of an America they perceive was founded by rich, white slaveowners. Like petulant children, if something isn't pristine perfect in their eyes, it is irredeemably evil and, therefore, must be destroyed.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:32 am to Korkstand
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Do you honestly not realize that you're describing a small minority?
Can you stop lying
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:34 am to Korkstand
quote:That minority is taking over the Democratic Party, which is why you have those insane proposals in their debates.
Do you honestly not realize that you're describing a small minority?
It is also why we are hearing reports of union members shifting towards Trump.
The far left is running the show in the Democratic Party.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:38 am to Korkstand
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I also don't see a big push for open borders nationally. Do you? A vocal minority, maybe?
So you've never watched a Democrat Party debate?
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it's ridiculous to claim that a significant number of libs want open borders, much less nearly all of them.
Well, when your leaders push for open borders and providing illegals with healthcare, then it becomes less ridiculous.
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:40 am to Scruffy
quote:I tend to stick to the intended definition of terms when I use them. When we don't, we end up lumping huge numbers of people into groups they don't belong in. It makes them and their ideals easier to attack and hate, sure, but it's not correct.
that is if you strictly use that one definition
quote:And make it a civil offense. Still a crime and still subject to deportation.
She wants to fully decriminalize border crossings
quote:Is it not a bad look to lock people up and separate families at the border?
disband ICE and replace it with “something that reflects our values”
quote:Isn't this taken out of context? Pretty sure it's part of a broader plan to streamline the path to citizenship (though it would still be a legal process), which means her plan for health care would apply.
and give illegal immigrants access to taxpayer funded health insurance
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:42 am to Korkstand
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Is it not a bad look to lock people up and separate families at the border?
No
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:43 am to i am dan
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Or we just take the whole country and tell libs to frick off.
Exactly. Insert story of the old bull and the young bull
Posted on 9/25/19 at 8:45 am to Korkstand
quote:A stance, which IMO, will exacerbate the current crisis by increasing border crossings by removing a punishment.
And make it a civil offense. Still a crime and still subject to deportation.
quote:Not IMO.
Is it not a bad look to lock people up and separate families at the border?
quote:No.
Isn't this taken out of context?
There was no reference to a “path for citizenship”.
It was merely a reference to allowing foreign born individuals the ability to obtain taxpayer funded insurance into adulthood.
You are right though, it is not by definition open borders, but as I said, it is getting very close.
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