re: We have nothing in common.

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In your opinion, is illegal immigration a more serious crime than, say, shoplifting? How about auto theft? Assault? Murder? Honest question.

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Honest answer: What the hell does that matter? Are you implying that it’s less serious? If so, I couldn’t disagree more, because they are all preventable crimes, if congress did it’s job, and we defended our borders like the Constitution mandates.

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It's a lot easier to be a model citizen if you actually are a citizen. Also 200 billion is a lot cheaper than imprisoning them all, and less disruptive to the economy than deporting them all.

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bullshite. We are on the hook for 200 billion plus, EVERY YEAR. In 2 years, that’s 400 billion. You want me to do the math for you? Start adding up the zeroes for 10 years of that shite. Another ridiculous assertion.

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By far the most economically logical thing to do is to improve the legal immigration process.

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Not until we stop having millions more walk over every year. Until then, we’re pissing in the wind, and you know it.

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Actually, I would absolutely love it if you would do that! And while you're at it, see if you can figure out how these people manage to collect benefits without a SSN. Seems like quite a big and easily fixable loophole!

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Here you go, Skippy. You’re welcome. I think the official term for the number of criminal illegals taking American taxpayer money is “assload.”

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The act of entering is currently a crime, but being undocumented is a civil violation.

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They didn't just materialize here or fall from space. I mean, ya know. They aren't ACTUAL aliens.

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But I have noticed that you guys like lumping complex topics into easily understandable buckets,

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You libs love to fall back on this stupidity. Meanwhile, you say dumb shite like, "well, entering illegally is a crime but not just being here"...………….after claiming they've "committed no crime"

Uhhhhhh. You want to think that shite through some more?

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Honest answer: What the hell does that matter?

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Because I'm a firm supporter of the idea that the punishment should fit the crime. Do you disagree?

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Are you implying that it’s less serious?

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I'm implying that it's not serious enough to hunt people down over.

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if congress did it’s job, and we defended our borders like the Constitution mandates.

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Love the broad application of the word "invasion". Another case of redefining and/or recategorizing to suit your needs. And what of the part of the constitution that says people born here are citizens? That part can frick right off?

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bullshite. We are on the hook for 200 billion plus, EVERY YEAR. In 2 years, that’s 400 billion. You want me to do the math for you? Start adding up the zeroes for 10 years of that shite. Another ridiculous assertion.

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I've done the math. Assuming you estimate the number of illegals around 20 million, at the low end it would cost $20k/year to imprison them. That would cost 400 billion, EVERY YEAR, so that's out.

The next option, deporting them all, would surely cost less than locking them up indefinitely, but what would be the effects of such a massive reduction in population and loss of cheap labor? Big business can probably adapt to that substantial reduction in demand, but how many small businesses can? Remember, these are people who immediately spend every dollar they earn. That's what drives an economy. I can't begin to quantify the net effects, and I'm not sure anyone can. I just know that it's not as simple as we'll just save 200 million per year in taxes without incurring any new costs.

One way we CAN avoid incurring any new costs associated with deporting millions of people and the resulting loss of economic activity, is to not deport people indiscriminately. It seems counterproductive to deport people who are working hard, staying out of trouble, and contributing to the economy, especially if they are currently being paid under the table. It makes vastly more sense to streamline the process to get them legal and paying taxes.

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Not until we stop having millions more walk over every year. Until then, we’re pissing in the wind, and you know it.

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What about overstayed visas? At some point you're going to advocate going door to door to hunt down illegals, and that will be a sad day for America. The fact is we could build a mile high wall the full length of the border, and the path to legal immigration would still be a bigger impediment than that for most of these people.

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Here you go, Skippy. You’re welcome.

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Holy shite, did you deliver! I could not ask for a greater gift this evening. Your link points to a "think tank" that is not just against illegal immigration, but they are against ALL immigration, and unabashedly so. They fear overpopulation, especially by non-whites. This is such a ridiculously biased source of disinformation that I simply cannot believe you are trying to pass this off as fact, or even anywhere near the realm of credibility. Do they even try to explain anywhere in that pile of shite how undocumented people are actually receiving benefits that they shouldn't?

If this is the type of bullshite you consume, it's no wonder you're mad about shite! I'd be mad too if I believed a bunch of lies told to me by a group of white supremacists.

If you can't tell, if this is where you are getting your 200 billion per year figure, then there is absolutely no way that it is anywhere close to accurate.

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They didn't just materialize here or fall from space. I mean, ya know. They aren't ACTUAL aliens.

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They may not fall from space, but a substantial percentage of them do come from the sky. Via airplane. Which they flew on and entered the country LEGALLY, then subsequently overstayed their visas. Over half a million undocumented immigrants arrive this way every year. They have not committed any crimes. It is a civil violation and they are subject to penalties, not punishment, if caught.

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You libs love to fall back on this stupidity. Meanwhile, you say dumb shite like, "well, entering illegally is a crime but not just being here"...………….after claiming they've "committed no crime"

Uhhhhhh. You want to think that shite through some more?

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No, I assure you that it is a well thought out statement. Do you need help thinking through it?

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You aren't on the hook for shite. Take some damn responsibility for yourself. If you don't like, LEAVE.

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Eat a dick. You have no problem telling someone who has done nothing but work, pay taxes, and raise kids to be productive citizens to leave, but think criminal illegals have every right to be here. GFY.

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Funny how it’s always libs who end friendships and family bonds over politics.

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That's. Because they are fighting a war. We're not... Yet.

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Because they go hand in hand! Why are so many here illegally? Because they can't afford to wait forever, the well-being of their families depends on it. As long as our country is better than Mexico, and as long as the path to citizenship is a long and winding road, and as long as employers keep paying illegals under the table, we WILL have a problem with illegal immigration. Clearly you are in favor of a brute force tactic that does nothing to cure the underlying problem.

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What an asinine analysis. America is going to be better than a good portion of the world for a while yet. Does this mean we let the entire population of shithole countries migrate? You're right... We do support brute force tactics because the nuanced solutions of the GOPe have been intentional failures.

How's this:

(1) build the wall.
(2) any employer who hires an illegal the third time has his business seized, sold, and his personal assets confiscated.
(3) aggressive deportation
(4) a moratorium on legal immigration for a decade.