re: Watching a coup d'etat in slow motion

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so this is a result of investigating Russians and the election?

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yes... this is a result of the INVESTIGATION of the Russian meddling in the 2016 and possible conspiracy between Russia and the Trump campaign to influence the election...

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Whats the connection?

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how did Monica Lewinsky connect to the ORIGINAL reason for Clinton's investigation? she doesn't... but it didn't matter... Clinton was STILL impeached for lying about something that had nothing to do with the original reason for launching the investigation in the first place... and FWIW, i was really young when Clinton was in office, so i didn't follow or know all about the details of it all, but if the man was caught committing perjury, then he DESERVED to be impeached...

answer this question as honestly as you can... if the situation we are seeing play out, would be EXACTLY the same.... except it was Hilary Clinton, or Obama, or really anyone not named Trump, would you be so myopic in your scope for the investigation? would you bemoaning the length of time they are taking with the investigation, as many of y'all do now? would you still agree it's a "rigged witch hunt"?

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Who runs this deep state and when and where do they meet?

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Your mom's house every Friday night.

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The Deep State has whipped Trump's arse all over DC. He wasn't ready for the war.

They are going to sink him. I know this board can't see what is happening because of their Trump love but he's in deeeeep shite. Mueller is relentless and will not stop until he has him.

He better be holding pocket aces with the FISA/DOJ stuff or good night.

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Lot of truth here - Trump absolutely, positively better be holding some aces somewhere. The deep state / establishment types will do anything to take him down. There are no limits for them.

It appears to me that Trump thought he was dealing with greedy, selfish people. Now he understands he's dealing with evil. And he showed up unprepared for that.

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nswer this question as honestly as you can... if the situation we are seeing play out, would be EXACTLY the same.... except it was Hilary Clinton, or Obama, or really anyone not named Trump, would you be so myopic in your scope for the investigation? would you bemoaning the length of time they are taking with the investigation, as many of y'all do now? would you still agree it's a "rigged witch hunt"?

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If I had witnessed such a concerted campaign to destroy any sitting president since Day 1 by both the media and our government it would certainly raise eyebrows. This is unprecedented. There is something wrong here.

There are similarities between what happened to Clinton and what is happening to Trump. But the biggest difference for me is that this is an investigation in search of not even a crime. Hell the original reason for the investigation - collusion - isn’t even a crime. Now, after bouncing from collusion to obsruction to pissing in the park, we are at non disclosure payments which probably literally every member of Congress has engaged in. All this after raiding his attorneys office and destroying attorney-client privilege in a matter not even anywhere close to the scope of the original investigation.

Whitewater was an investigation into a specific real estate deal, not a broad, overarching investigation into a crime that doesn’t exist just to find something... anything. Yes, Monica Lewinsky came out of Whitewater and it was political but we were at a much different place morally as a country back then with respect to our presidents. Oh and there is that matter of lying to Congress.

I personally think it was bullshite what happened to Clinton as well, but this is a whole order of magnitude more intense and nefarious IMO.

Trump’s morals were filtered during the campaign. Everybody knew this about Trump going in. He was elected after ‘grab em by the pussy.’ He won after the accusations against him during the campaign. The people chose him in spite of it all.

It’s a witch hunt pure and simple and an attempt to inflict death by 1000 cuts. Russian collusion didn’t happen and a video doesn’t exist of him saying the n-word. This will not end until he is removed/rendered ineffective and they have convinced outsiders to never consider seeking election ever again.

It’s not good at all, no matter your personal feelings towards Trump. This is bigger than that.

Look at American “liberals” cheering for the police state overthrow of a democratically elected president. What a time to be alive.

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Look at American “liberals” cheering for the police state overthrow of a democratically elected president. What a time to be alive.

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Honestly, you're not wrong. I can remember being against the intelligence community when Bush was president. I can also remember my lifetime how many conservatives cheer on a police state. If you don't believe me, look at private prisons

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So you weren’t ok with invasive spying of private citizens, but you are ok with this? And are you really comparing conservative support for private prisons to a coordinated effort to remove an elected president?

Cmon man.

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To be honest with you it's kind of a complicated thing. I always feel like Obama got too much of a free pass from the liberal crowd. Never okay with spying on the American public even for the sake of terrorism. I have to admit I respect a lot of younger conservatives for the fact that I feel like I'm battling the same conservatives that voted for GW who were very much okay with this sort of thing. I'm not okay with the government spying on its citizens.

Will say that Trump campaign and Trump presidency has a lot of dirty aspects that I don't like equally to Obama and GW

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Way to NOT answer the question.

I guess, I’m a way, you just did.

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To be honest, not ok with the spying. Both liberals and conservatives have taken turns being appalled and for such things, depending on presidents. It's sonething we can all agree on is either coordinated political theater or inadvertent public complacency.

Trump has gotten it hard but he also eggs it on

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can tell you are trying really hard to be reasonable, but it’s not really working. Your point seems to be: he’s an a-hole so he deserves to be accused of treason, obstruction, and God knows what else with zero proof... spied on, slandered, all in an effort to remove him from office for no other reason than he’s not Hillary. All against the will of the electorate.

Awesome logic.

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Not trying. His own words paint the picture as much. I will admit that I am biased but Trump definitely fits the profile of someone who is unfit in my opinion

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fits the profile of someone who is unfit in my opinion

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“Fits the profile” and “unfit” isn’t grounds for what is happening to him now. He is being literally overthrown.

I though he was unfit at one time as well, but he was elected and he has proven me wrong. He is not doing a bad job as President even despite the daily assault.