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re: Was the Betsy DeVos hearing really a trainwreck?

Posted on 1/18/17 at 11:09 am to
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 11:09 am to
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Their was plenty of vitriol from the demo's which is expected as education is one of their holy grails and they have no inclination to just give it to a washington outsider without a fight.
They have to maintain their creds with the teachers unions in order to keep getting those campaign contributions.
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 11:10 am to
Out of all the nominees she's clearly the least prepared.

I think some Dems will slam some nominees solely because Trump nominated them, but this one IMO is the opposite. I don't think you can really defend this one unless your sole theory is just to trust Trump.
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 11:35 am to
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How qualified do you have to be to run a Dept that should not exist?


Even if the goal is to reduce the department's influence, you still want someone who can articulate an opinion. Putting a dull person is never the answer, especially with the wide range of talent available for a position like this.
This post was edited on 1/18/17 at 11:36 am
Posted by jb4
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 11:41 am to
Her brother is Eric prince be warned otherwise black water will show up at your door
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 12:03 pm to
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Even if the goal is to reduce the department's influence, you still want someone who can articulate an opinion.


Really? Who is the current sect of ed? When was the last time you heard him/her/it articulate an opinion?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35308 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 2:12 pm to
I just read a synopsis of the hearing. Some inexcusable gaffes (e.g., IDEA and funding). Even easy questions (e.g., same level of accountability for public, private, and charter) should couldn't give a direct answer. I mean those weren't even specific and complex policy details.
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 2:54 pm to
I've only watched the highlights. I cringed a couple times. She is not quick on her feet intellectually. She seemed unprepared for some issues.

The worst to me was not knowing that the IDEA is a federal law that local schools are required to follow. I get that is sort of a niche issue, but this is supposed to be her niche.

Not a good look. She may have trouble getting confirmed.
Posted by Haughton99
Haughton
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:00 pm to
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Really? Who is the current sect of ed? When was the last time you heard him/her/it articulate an opinion?


I thought we were draining the swamp, not just replacing with more dirty water.

She's the worst nominee by far. At this point I'm wondering if he will realize and attempt a do over.
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
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13442 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:02 pm to
I know Trump is busy and shite right now but if he sees video of her confirmation hearing he might have an apprentice boardroom meeting with her.

I can't imagine as demanding and exacting as that dude is him being ok with the witless and unprepared showing she had today. She is not "the best people."
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:09 pm to
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She is not quick on her feet intellectually
But that would be excusable for trick questions or more complex ones. She struggled with the easy ones.
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The worst to me was not knowing that the IDEA is a federal law that local schools are required to follow. I get that is sort of a niche issue, but this is supposed to be her niche.
I wouldn't call it niche; there are almost 7 million students in special education and its a 12 billion dollar a year endeavor, and general education has a big part too (e.g., Response to Intervention).

I didn't know that was her area of "expertise," but that makes it even more inexcusable.
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:11 pm to
Your average American has no idea what IDEA is. But your SecEd nominee damn sure better even if all she is supposed to do is dismantle the whole thing.

It was pretty bad. That said, she probably still gets confirmed. Not a damn thing the Dems can do about it.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35308 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:16 pm to
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Your average American has no idea what IDEA is
Yeah, but if you said special education or IEP, they would probably have a better idea.
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But your SecEd nominee damn sure better even if all she is supposed to do is dismantle the whole thing.
Yeah. It's inexcusable to not know the basic aspects of the major federal education law.
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That said, she probably still gets confirmed. Not a damn thing the Dems can do about it.
Then it really shows how pointless the confirmation process is. I mean if somebody bombs a job interview like that, and there are plenty of other qualified people, then that person probably wouldn't get a job. As usual, government is in a different realm of logic.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:25 pm to
Long story short she's not qualified by any stretch of the imagination. Everyone knew it republevins are hiding her from democrats having a field day with it.


End of the day we end up with an unqualified secretary of education and everything with Trump so far looks like politics as usual.
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:25 pm to
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Then it really shows how pointless the confirmation process is.



Last night's at least was proven to be pointless. Republicans on the committee had no interest in diving into her history and qualifications, even after her disastrous answers. One even took the time to chide the Democrats for having the gall to ask for a 2nd round of questioning. It was a farce.
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
13442 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:25 pm to
There is only a point when the president and control of the senate are with different parties. Otherwise it is all for show.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35308 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:33 pm to
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There is only a point when the president and control of the senate are with different parties. Otherwise it is all for show.
Which flies in the face of the "best people" for the job. I get that it's politically problematic, but she's shown she's not the best so find somebody who is better.
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14596 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:36 pm to
She didn't give the most bureaucratic answer to a bureaucratic question.

IDAF.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35308 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:41 pm to
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She didn't give the most bureaucratic answer to a bureaucratic question.
That would be different; she couldn't even answer basic questions about the major parts of the Department she is tasked with heading.
Posted by CaptainBrannigan
Good Ole Rocky Top Tennessee
Member since Jan 2010
21644 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:45 pm to
Yes. Every American should demand she be removed as the nominee to head the Dept of Education.
Posted by FreddieMac
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
23173 posts
Posted on 1/18/17 at 3:46 pm to
I am going to part with the Donald on this one. She is a one trick pony, you probably should know something about teaching and learning if you are going to head the department of education. There were definitely better candidates.
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