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re: Was the "animals" meme the most dishonest media moment of the Trump presidency?

Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:18 am to
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:18 am to
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it's the literal embodiment of "DEMs will accuse the GOP of what they're actually doing" (in this case, conflating latino immigrants with criminals)


I think it's more the reflexive action of Dems to take the opposite position of Trump on everything.
If Trump said 'Christmas is my favorite time of year' the Dems would say 'Christmas offends non-Christians and it should be banned.'

The Dems are so filled with Trump hate that they don't stop to think 'Is defending MS 13 actually gonna win us any votes?'
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:19 am to
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What am i ignoring?


I was talking in general, not about you specifically.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:21 am to
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I think it's more the reflexive action of Dems to take the opposite position of Trump on everything.


I supported Trump pulling out of TPP

I think his initiative of drug prices is great

I’m sure there are other examples, those 2 just immediately came to mind
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:22 am to
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The Dems are so filled with Trump hate that they don't stop to think 'Is defending MS 13 actually gonna win us any votes?'


It's even worse than that. What demographic is the biggest victim of MS13? Why surprise , surprise it's Hispanic immigrants. So , despite all the wailing and gnashing of teeth we see from Democrats bout how concerned they are about Hispanic immigrants, here they are grouping all hispanic immigrants together and defending the animals of MS13.

Which is, of course, the same thing they do in regards to Muslim terrorists. By far Muslim terrorists kill more Muslims than any other group.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:24 am to
I’ve got the examples you asked for pulled up and ready to post if you can just give me your honest assessment of the PizzaGate and Seth Rich conspiracy theories pushed by right wing media.
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:26 am to
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I’ve got the examples you asked for pulled up and ready to post if you can just give me your honest assessment of the PizzaGate and Seth Rich conspiracy theories pushed by right wing media.


PizzaGate was stupid, Seth Rich was WikiLeak's mole inside the DNC though.......
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:26 am to
Again, people BELIEVED the Pizzagate and Seth Rich stuff.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:33 am to
Here you go

LINK

LINK

LINK

Posted by Turbeauxdog
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:38 am to
I don't know the back story on the other two but Kennedy was absolutely right on your second link.

Jesus Christ.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:43 am to
Except the proof that he was lying is included in the link

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KENNEDY: But also you have the former secretary of state, who's in the middle of a really high profile book tour, and I think this is convenient for her to shift the talking points from some of the things that she's been discussing. The other thing that I find really curious: The president has been very careful from the beginning not to label this a terrorist attack, for whatever reason, and I think that is politically motivated, but we're not calling him an alleged terror suspect. We're not calling him a terrorist. And in the war on terror, you know, obviously, he's not necessarily held as a criminal. He can be a criminal combatant.


Direct quote from Obama

quote:

We will remain vigilant against all acts of terrorism, and we will continue to prioritize the protection of our service-members and civilians overseas.


Later

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Secretary of State John Kerry stated in response to the capture of Ahmed Abu Khattala that the mission of "bringing to justice the terrorist murderers responsible for the attacks in Benghazi ... took a dramatic step forward"


And

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Obama Linked Benghazi Attack To Terror In First Speech After Attack. In a speech in the Rose Garden on September 12, 2012 discussing the Benghazi attack, Obama said "no acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for." [WhiteHouse.gov, 9/12/12]

Obama Called Attack An Act Of Terror In Two Subsequent Speeches. Obama called the Benghazi attack an "act of terror" during a speech on September 12, 2012, in Las Vegas, Nevada, and again in a speech in Golden, Colorado, on September 13, 2012. [WhiteHouse.gov, 9/12/12 and 9/13/12]


And

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State Department: Abu Khattala Is A "Specially Designated Global Terrorist." According to a January 10 press release, the State Department designated three Ansar al-Shari'a organizations as "Foreign Terrorist Organizations" and their leaders, including Abu Khattala, as "Specially Designated Global Terrorists":




This is why I was reluctant to go link hunting, its like you’re insisting the fricking sky is green.

But FINE. Throw that one out. Address the other two. Then when you do that I can go pull more links. That was litterally 3 of the first 5 links in a search I ran which was limited to only a 60 day period.
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 10:46 am
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:45 am to
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I’ve got 4 examples ready to go for you if you can just answer that question honestly

LOL

The conservative media didn't push any such thing if you are trying to say they did it similar to this animals shite.

You just are trying to wriggle out
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:46 am to
1. Rush is an idiot, and hardly considered mainstream

2. Lisa Kennedy was wrong on that point, I mean a quote from Obama is right there to see

3. Obama probably did do that on purpose.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:48 am to
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and hardly considered mainstream


How many people listen to Rush?

And why is lying only bad when the media is considered “mainstream”?
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 10:49 am
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:49 am to
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The conservative media didn't push any such thing if you are trying to say they did it similar to this animals shite.

You just are trying to wriggle out


Backpedal backpedal backpedal

You want more links? How many will it take?
Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:49 am to
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LINK

Limbaugh!
quote:

LINK
ONE host.
quote:

"Conspiratorial" Right-Wing Media Claim Obama "Deliberately" "Planned" Border Crisis

Limbaugh
Palin
Gingrich
Dobbs

This is your comparison.

Dude. I'm embarrassed for you.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:49 am to
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Lisa Kennedy was lying on that point, I mean a quote from Obama is right there to see



FTFY
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 10:50 am
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:50 am to
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You want more links? How many will it take?

Just one that is REMOTELY similar to the NEWS arms of every outlet running with a knowing lie they concocted together.

Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:52 am to
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This is why I was reluctant to go link hunting, its like you’re insisting the fricking sky is green.


Dude.

You went hunting for something you said was common and literally haven't come up with a single example of a coordinated lie by the NEWS arms of every conservative outlet.

Let me know when you can do better.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:53 am to
Okay, who would you accept? Brit Hume? Chris Wallace?
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:54 am to
Okay so a lie is only bad if it was coordinated?
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