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Wall Street — not taxpayers — will pay for the SVB and Signature deposit relief plans

Posted on 3/12/23 at 10:50 pm
Posted by rickgrimes
Member since Jan 2011
4180 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 10:50 pm
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This was not a bailout. During the GFC, the gov’t injected taxpayer money in the form of preferred stock into banks. Bondholders were protected and shareholders were diluted to varying degrees. Taxpayer money was put at great risk. Many people who screwed up suffered minimal to no consequences. Those were bailouts.

Here, shareholders and bond holders have been wiped out. The
@FDICgov insurance fund capitalized by premiums paid by banks will absorb any losses. The fund will recoup any losses by assessing more premiums on the banks.

Had the @FDICgov @USTreasury and @federalreserve not intervened today, we would have had a 1930s bank run continuing first thing Monday causing enormous economic damage and hardship to millions.

More banks will likely fail despite the intervention, but we now have a clear roadmap for how the gov’t will manage them.

Bank boards and managements have received a massive wake up call. Being a director or CEO of a bank that fails is no fun: years of litigation, regulatory investigations, personal liability, potential civil and criminal charges, and enormous reputational damage.

Our gov’t did the right thing. This was not a bailout in any form. The people who screwed up will bear the consequences. The investors who didn’t adequately oversee their banks will be zeroed out and the bondholders will suffer a similar fate.

Importantly, our gov’t has sent a message that depositors can trust the banking system. Without this confidence, we are left with three or possibly four too-big-to-fail banks where the taxpayer is explicitly on the hook, and our national system of community and regional banks is toast.

Our government did the right thing for the country. We are very fortunate it did so.

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Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
94870 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 10:54 pm to
Banks were going to be covered for FDIC on accounts regardless of this.

Was every podunk shitkicker going to pull their money from Bank Of Mayberry because two major metro banks across the country shite the bed?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118681 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 10:55 pm to
It’s important to note that the money is coming from the sale of existing assets on bank books, maybe not 100% but mostly.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21456 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 11:01 pm to
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Had the @FDICgov @USTreasury and @federalreserve not intervened today, we would have had a 1930s bank run continuing first thing Monday causing enormous economic damage and hardship to millions.


Assuming there would have been a bank run Monday morning, how does this prevent it?
Posted by rickgrimes
Member since Jan 2011
4180 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 11:13 pm to
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Assuming there would have been a bank run Monday morning, how does this prevent it?

Because people now know the FDIC really has you covered and will protect the depositors if a bank goes under. So now there is no reason to go to the bank tomorrow and try to withdraw all your money.
Posted by Azkiger
Member since Nov 2016
21456 posts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 11:18 pm to
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Because people now know the FDIC really has you covered and will protect the depositors if a bank goes under.


Maybe, but I'd imagine the end result of all of that would take quite a while.

People generally need their money available at a moment's notice, businesses as well.
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
27821 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 12:00 am to
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It’s important to note that the money is coming from the sale of existing assets on bank books, maybe not 100% but mostly.

Why didn't they already sell off some of these assets?
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
17820 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 12:03 am to
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The @FDICgov insurance fund capitalized by premiums paid by banks will absorb any losses. The fund will recoup any losses by assessing more premiums on the banks.

We'll see how true this is tomorrow morning when share prices for Chase, B of A, WF, and the like crash through the floor. Or not.
Posted by dat yat
Chef Pass
Member since Jun 2011
4301 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 12:12 am to
Svb was hampered by long term low interest assets*. The long term low interest assets would have sold at a steep discount once rates rose.

* they did that level of long term low interest assets to diversify the risk of being concentrated in tech. It just didn't work after rates went up dramatically.

I'm in banking and was off Friday, tomorrow will be an interesting day at the office.
This post was edited on 3/13/23 at 12:15 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57092 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 12:20 am to
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We'll see how true this is tomorrow morning when share prices for Chase, B of A, WF, and the like crash through the floor. Or not.
Not likely to see a stock crash on the big four. The TBTF banks operate entirely differently. They actually stand to gain A LOT of smaller banks get run.
This post was edited on 3/13/23 at 12:21 am
Posted by auggie
Opelika, Alabama
Member since Aug 2013
27821 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 12:23 am to
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The long term low interest assets would have sold at a steep discount once rates rose.

So these assets will probably have to be sold for pennies on the "valued" dollar?
Maybe they should get on the phone with J.G. Wentworth.
This post was edited on 3/13/23 at 5:48 am
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
17820 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 12:23 am to
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Not likely to see a stock crash on the big four. The TBTF banks operate entirely differently. They actually stand to gain A LOT of smaller banks get run.

But wouldn't they bear the greatest burden of the stepped up FDIC premiums to cover the bailouts?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57092 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 12:49 am to
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But wouldn't they bear the greatest burden of the stepped up FDIC premiums to cover the bailouts?
SCB has assets to cover almost the entire payout. It’s just illiquid (can’t be sold fast enough to cover the run of withdrawals). The assets still exist. So the only cost will be making up the difference in the short term to cover any withdrawals. The bank was not insolvent. They just rebalanced and it started a run.
Posted by David_DJS
Member since Aug 2005
17820 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 12:51 am to
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SCB has assets to cover almost the entire payout. It’s just illiquid (can’t be sold fast enough to cover the run of withdrawals). The assets still exist. So the only cost will be making up the difference in the short term to cover any withdrawals. The bank was not insolvent. They just rebalanced and it started a run.

Yeah. I connected the dots from the other thread. Thanks -
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12507 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 5:28 am to
Middle class Americans always pay.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101309 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 6:06 am to
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Middle class Americans always pay.


I mean, it sort of seems to me, trying to say that “taxpayers aren’t paying for this” is really nothing but a game of semantics.
Posted by GhostOfFreedom
Member since Jan 2021
11671 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 8:13 am to
That is Gaslighting

Reality is, we are getting screwed.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
15476 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 8:20 am to
What a message: "fail and we got your back"

And it is not just banks, these losers will bail out anybody, except those who do not vote for them.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
421727 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 8:22 am to
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People generally need their money available at a moment's notice, businesses as well.

Not ALL of their money
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
421727 posts
Posted on 3/13/23 at 8:23 am to
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Why didn't they already sell off some of these assets?

They were taken over and everything was frozen.

What killed SVB was a bank run, not an asset crisis.
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