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re: Vivek going up in flames
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:28 pm to 50_Tiger
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:28 pm to 50_Tiger
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So you effectively agree with him the India has a better culture than the US?
No. But he didn’t say India has a better culture than the US overall. He’s comparing people who immigrated to the US from that part of the world to US natives. Additionally, he’s speaking only about the engineering field.
What a lazy summation on your part of his post.
This post was edited on 12/26/24 at 12:32 pm
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Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:29 pm to Marquesa
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Chat GPT summary of Viveks post.
Good grief......
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:30 pm to 50_Tiger
Asians put enormous pressure, physical and emotional, on their kids academically. That is the difference.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I wonder how long it will be until it's pointed out
Hey guys. SFP is waiting on someone to ask him what Vivek missed so he can point it out for the class.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:31 pm to Undertow
To be fair that is my underlying interpretation.
He believes India values essentially STEM more from the ground up. However, if this were truly the case, why isnt India anymore developed than the US currently? It has roughly 3 times the population.
He believes India values essentially STEM more from the ground up. However, if this were truly the case, why isnt India anymore developed than the US currently? It has roughly 3 times the population.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:31 pm to 50_Tiger
Another problem is, these companies call these foreign born hires “engineers” but they are not legally “engineers”. It’s a big problem in the engineering profession.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:32 pm to Snipe
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Having a hard time seeing how he's wrong.
He's not.
But that also doesnt mean "Let a shite ton of Indians in the Country".
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:32 pm to LegendInMyMind
The reason tech companies hire Indian immigrants is because they only have to pay 1/3 the salary.
The company pays 1/3 the salary and gets 60% the worker so it’s a net benefit for the company.
The company pays 1/3 the salary and gets 60% the worker so it’s a net benefit for the company.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:32 pm to Pendulum
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They don't want any part of our society bro, they come here for the free shite and economic mobility; capitalism.
I agree, so why are Americans allowing for the carpetbagging of America?
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:32 pm to HagaDaga
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The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans isn’t because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation). A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture. Tough questions demand tough answers & if we’re really serious about fixing the problem, we have to confront the TRUTH:
Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long (at least since the 90s and likely longer). That doesn’t start in college, it starts YOUNG.
A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers.
A culture that venerates Cory from “Boy Meets World,” or Zach & Slater over Screech in “Saved by the Bell,” or ‘Stefan’ over Steve Urkel in “Family Matters,” will not produce the best engineers.
(Fact: I know *multiple* sets of immigrant parents in the 90s who actively limited how much their kids could watch those TV shows precisely because they promoted mediocrity…and their kids went on to become wildly successful STEM graduates).
More movies like Whiplash, fewer reruns of “Friends.” More math tutoring, fewer sleepovers. More weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning cartoons. More books, less TV. More creating, less “chillin.” More extracurriculars, less “hanging out at the mall.”
Most normal American parents look skeptically at “those kinds of parents.” More normal American kids view such “those kinds of kids” with scorn. If you grow up aspiring to normalcy, normalcy is what you will achieve.
Now close your eyes & visualize which families you knew in the 90s (or even now) who raise their kids according to one model versus the other. Be brutally honest.
“Normalcy” doesn’t cut it in a hyper-competitive global market for technical talent. And if we pretend like it does, we’ll have our asses handed to us by China.
This can be our Sputnik moment. We’ve awaken from slumber before & we can do it again. Trump’s election hopefully marks the beginning of a new golden era in America, but only if our culture fully wakes up. A culture that once again prioritizes achievement over normalcy; excellence over mediocrity; nerdiness over conformity; hard work over laziness.
That’s the work we have cut out for us, rather than wallowing in victimhood & just wishing (or legislating) alternative hiring practices into existence. I’m confident we can do it.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:32 pm to GumboPot
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Foreign born “engineers” are cheap.
Exactly.
He’s giving a bunch of bullshite to satisfy the capitalist wet dream that we all need to dedicate our childhoods to preparing to be high efficiency cogs in their system.
What he really wants is the freedom to hire Suresh for pennies on the dollar so that his and his buddy’s companies can increase their profits.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:33 pm to 50_Tiger
Want to know why they do so well?
They want to get the frick out of India.
Thats why
They want to get the frick out of India.
Thats why
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:33 pm to GnashRebel
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Asians put enormous pressure, physical and emotional, on their kids academically. That is the difference.
Them and South Korea have a worse population collapse than us!
God, Family and Country at the forefront leads to hard work and exceptionalism. That's what he have lost!
Importing millions of Indians is not what we need!
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:34 pm to StringedInstruments
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quote:
Foreign born “engineers” are cheap.
Exactly.
He’s giving a bunch of bullshite to satisfy the capitalist wet dream that we all need to dedicate our childhoods to preparing to be high efficiency cogs in their system.
What he re
Not trying to be a dick at all, but hard times call for hard discussions as Vivek said.
These people are easy to control. They dont have a violent bone in their body so certain groups will always control them.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:34 pm to StringedInstruments
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Exactly.
He’s giving a bunch of bullshite to satisfy the capitalist wet dream that we all need to dedicate our childhoods to preparing to be high efficiency cogs in their system.
What he really wants is the freedom to hire Suresh for pennies on the dollar so that his and his buddy’s companies can increase their profits.
THIS!
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:34 pm to Marquesa
So be backs Musks, Americans are lazy, and tells Americans they have become a garbage culture, so fix it. But in the meantime we'll import people that will make it harder to dig out of the hole even if you fix the the problem.
Not the "America First" agenda we voted for. We knew we have a cultural problem that needs to be fixed, that is why Trump was retired. To fix that. But stupid if during that time we are just making where we want to get people back too harder.
Blah blah blah horse and carrot blah blah blah
Not the "America First" agenda we voted for. We knew we have a cultural problem that needs to be fixed, that is why Trump was retired. To fix that. But stupid if during that time we are just making where we want to get people back too harder.
Blah blah blah horse and carrot blah blah blah
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:34 pm to boomtown143
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But that also doesnt mean "Let a shite ton of Indians in the Country".
Is that what he's advocating for?
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:34 pm to LSUGent
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The real reason they hire non Americans is because they're way cheaper
Im sure this tweet is over the backlash of Republicans bashing the Trump selection of Sriram Krishnan to be over the AI stuff. Why is he being bashed again? IBc he has an opinion on H1B visas? He's over AI, not immigration. I mean, he's at the very top of his field.
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:34 pm to Bunk Moreland
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This is an amazing civil war. The honeymoon didn’t even make it to the inauguration.
Who disagrees with him? I don’t
Posted on 12/26/24 at 12:34 pm to 50_Tiger
This is opening an interesting divide. The MAGA right (cult) vs people that actually are America First.
We have real problems still. You get sick here, you're out the rat race and your family is fricked. I know "the right" hate to read this inconvenient truth. But hey, lets focus on the culture war boogeyman... those trans and gay people ruining the country. Not these hyper capitalist fricks that truly impact your life.
We have real problems still. You get sick here, you're out the rat race and your family is fricked. I know "the right" hate to read this inconvenient truth. But hey, lets focus on the culture war boogeyman... those trans and gay people ruining the country. Not these hyper capitalist fricks that truly impact your life.
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