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re: Virginia Governor Abigail signs bill into law giving all electoral college votes to winner
Posted on 4/15/26 at 11:53 pm to L.A.
Posted on 4/15/26 at 11:53 pm to L.A.
If these arseholes want to change to a popular vote, they can change the Constitution with an amendment. They can't do it by cheating and denying the electoral college with this ruse.
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 12:04 am to Auburn1968
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If these arseholes want to change to a popular vote, they can change the Constitution with an amendment.
How are they violating the Constitution with this move? Exactly what part of the Constitution is being violated?
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They can't do it by cheating and denying the electoral college with this ruse.
According to the Constitution and the courts, they can. As far as I can see, anyway.
I'd be fine standing corrected if you have some information to the contrary, though.
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 12:06 am
Posted on 4/16/26 at 5:48 am to wackatimesthree
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don't understand how this is any different from millions of people who vote, say, in Alabama, for a Democrat but whose votes don't count for anything when the Republican wins the popular vote in the state because it's been determined by the state legislature to be a winner take all state. Why is that not disenfranchisement?
You’re awarding the state’s electoral votes based not on the votes of the people in that state, but rather on the votes of people outside that state. It’s really not hard to understand, except perhaps for leftist dumbfricks with IQs in the range of a soccer score.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 6:29 am to soonerinlOUisiana
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You’re awarding the state’s electoral votes based not on the votes of the people in that state, but rather on the votes of people outside that state.
A distinction without a difference
The crucial element is if the vote itself is part of the determining process. You've had multiple opportunities to address that actual point but keep ignoring that to repeat a point with no relevance to the discussion at hand.
You can't see past the current system and think that's the only way it can be. You understand just because this is how states do it doesn't mean that's how they have to do it, right? The state doesn't even have to hold an election. You realize that, right?
Posted on 4/16/26 at 6:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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A distinction without a difference The crucial element is if the vote itself is part of the determining process. You've had multiple opportunities to address that actual point but keep ignoring that to repeat a point with no relevance to the discussion at hand.
I’ve already addressed that point. You’re just too stupid to see it, or too dishonest to admit it.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 6:51 am to soonerinlOUisiana
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I’ve already addressed that point
But you haven't
You've only responded by referencing the current system. You haven't responded discussing the hypothetical system being discussed.
I even gave you the opportunity to be educated on this like a 1st grader and you passed.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 6:57 am to SlowFlowPro
The idea that if Texas moved to this, we might never have a Republican president again, has me struggling to agree with you and Mickey’s arguments.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 6:59 am to SlowFlowPro
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But you haven't You've only responded by referencing the current system. You haven't responded discussing the hypothetical system being discussed.
Except that I have. Like I said, you are either:
A. Too stupid to see it.
B. Too dishonest to admit it.
C. Both A and B are correct.
Smart money is on “C”.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 7:00 am to ReauxlTide222
I don't particularly like nor support the system proposed, but that's not going to stop me from pointing out bad arguments
Posted on 4/16/26 at 7:06 am to soonerinlOUisiana
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Except that I have
No you haven't. For example, you haven't answered this question: if the vote is counted in the national tally, and the determining system is the national vote (not the state vote which you keep going back to irrationally), then how is that vote disfranchised?
The results of the state-based election are literally irrelevant if the system chosen relies on the national tally. The fact that this system is contained within one state, and their electoral college representatives are sent from the state, has no bearing relationship to the method used to determine the Victor. Again, the governor could flip a coin to pick these electoral college Representatives. Or make it an even or odd word count on the first page of the New York times on a particular day. Nothing about the determination is required to originate within the state other than the vote for the system chosen
Posted on 4/16/26 at 7:10 am to soonerinlOUisiana
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You’re awarding the state’s electoral votes based not on the votes of the people in that state, but rather on the votes of people outside that state.
Not quite. You’d be awarding them based on the votes of every state, INCLUDING your state. You left that last part out.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 7:13 am to SlowFlowPro
Does a state not lose its representation if it can go for 1 candidate and the other candidate gets the electoral college votes?
Say 100% of Virginia voters go red but Virginia’s electoral college numbers push the Dem over the line nationally.
How have Virginia voters not had their votes erased?
Has leadership in the state, leftist leadership at that, not stole the votes of their people in this scenario?
Say 100% of Virginia voters go red but Virginia’s electoral college numbers push the Dem over the line nationally.
How have Virginia voters not had their votes erased?
Has leadership in the state, leftist leadership at that, not stole the votes of their people in this scenario?
Posted on 4/16/26 at 7:29 am to ReauxlTide222
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Does a state not lose its representation if it can go for 1 candidate and the other candidate gets the electoral college votes?
Say 100% of Virginia voters go red but Virginia’s electoral college numbers push the Dem over the line nationally.
How have Virginia voters not had their votes erased?
You’re equating “losing” with “disenfranchising.” The 45% of democrats who vote in Louisiana for Governor, US Senate, etc. aren’t having their votes erased even though they have no chance at winning right now.
If anything, this proposal makes all of those Dems in Louisiana (or Republicans in California) more involved in the process because their votes will count equally with everyone else in our great country. Right now, they really do feel like their vote is erased because they are in the minority of their state.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 8:06 am to ReauxlTide222
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The idea that if Texas moved to this, we might never have a Republican president again, has me struggling to agree with you and Mickey’s arguments.
Im not sure how you come to that conclusion. Trump just won the popular vote. If Texas were part of this system, Trump would still be President.
This whole scheme is an attempt to eliminate the Electoral College and elect our POTUS democratically without amending the Constitution. The pros and cons of doing away with the EC have been debated for decades.
Are you saying no Republican presidential candidate can win a national vote?
How about this for a real fly in the ointment, though? What if a couple of states decide to revert back to having just their legislature choose their electors, and their residents don't vote for POTUS at all? What would that do to the national popular vote these compact states are relying on?
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:15 am to soonerinlOUisiana
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You’re awarding the state’s electoral votes based not on the votes of the people in that state, but rather on the votes of people outside that state.
So what?
In a winner take all state you're not awarding electoral votes based on the people in the state either.
When 49% of the people in Alabama vote for a Democrat and all the electoral votes get cast for the Republican, 49% of the population's votes don't count either.
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It’s really not hard to understand,
Sure, not when you smuggle in the assumption that the electoral votes have to be determined by the popular vote in the state.
Can you show me anything in the Constitution that says that is the case?
There's a low IQ mouth breather/foot shuffler around here for sure. But it's not me.
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 11:16 am
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:20 am to Mickey Goldmill
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If anything, this proposal makes all of those Dems in Louisiana (or Republicans in California) more involved in the process because their votes will count equally with everyone else in our great country. Right now, they really do feel like their vote is erased because they are in the minority of their state.
Yep, but the reverse is true in other states.
And nobody as far as I know really knows how many people in hard red or hard blue states just sit it out b/c they know their vote won't count.
Plus, campaign strategies will now shift toward capturing as much of the popular vote as possible instead of just winning key battleground states.
The moral of the story is that if this continues to gain steam, the Democrats may not end up liking it as much as they think they will. They think they'll have an advantage this way b/c it's not occurring to them that yeah, they usually win the popular vote, but that's under the current conditions. Change the conditions and change the game and they may be at a disadvantage as far as anyone knows. It's a big gamble on their part.
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 11:21 am
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:26 am to L.A.
If this was even remotely legal it would have happened in 2016.
Electoral votes count for one election: Presidency.
Next.
Electoral votes count for one election: Presidency.
Next.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 11:28 am to SlowFlowPro
I would argue there is no national popular vote tally. States have different voting standards and to have a true, accurate national popular vote count you would need a uniform national set of voting standards (laws), which is unconstitutional since states set election laws. We’d all need to play (vote) by the same rules.
I also think getting the Congress to pass the law need to allow states to enter into compacts with other states would be near impossible.
I also think getting the Congress to pass the law need to allow states to enter into compacts with other states would be near impossible.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 12:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No you haven't. For example, you haven't answered this question: if the vote is counted in the national tally, and the determining system is the national vote (not the state vote which you keep going back to irrationally), then how is that vote disfranchised? The results of the state-based election are literally irrelevant if the system chosen relies on the national tally. The fact that this system is contained within one state, and their electoral college representatives are sent from the state, has no bearing relationship to the method used to determine the Victor. Again, the governor could flip a coin to pick these electoral college Representatives. Or make it an even or odd word count on the first page of the New York times on a particular day. Nothing about the determination is required to originate within the state other than the vote for the system chosen
You have just written a treatise supporting my position. Well done.
Posted on 4/16/26 at 12:41 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Not quite. You’d be awarding them based on the votes of every state, INCLUDING your state. You left that last part out.
You are essentially letting non-Virginians vote in the Virginia election. You left that part out. But then again, the left loves having outsiders vote in elections.
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