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Vice is rational: forgive student loans; don't give Amazon money
Posted on 11/18/18 at 4:57 pm
Posted on 11/18/18 at 4:57 pm
Instead of Giving Billions to Amazon, We Could Just Cancel Student Debt
progs are fricking LIVID about this AmazonHQ deal
like PISSED. even the patron saint BdB can't escape the true believing comrades
but we're here for the OTHER story: student loan forgiveness:
what could go wrong with states choosing to buy up the student loan debt of its citizens? this for sure will end up being a much larger net positive than the AmazonHQ deal
progs are fricking LIVID about this AmazonHQ deal
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Thirsty officials mailed Amazon a giant cactus and lit up local landmarks in "Amazon orange" in hopes of hosting what was billed as the retail giant's "second HQ," despite the fact that it is definitionally impossible for there to be more than one headquarters of anything. Somehow more humiliatingly, Governor Andrew Cuomo said he'd literally change his name to "Amazon" for the privilege of helping gift the mega company at least a billion in tax subsidies. All of this would have been sort-of hilarious if it didn't throw CEO Jeff Bezos's power over the country's ostensible leaders into such terrifying relief. What's more, it's depressing that so much effort went into making something happen that probably would have happened regardless, and will likely just cause rents to rise in a city that already struggles with housing costs.
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"They don't need a subsidy at all. And it's ridiculous and shocking that Bill de Blasio, who ran on a platform of fixing economic inequality, worked so hard to bring in a project that's going to cause a lot of hardship for working-class New Yorkers."
like PISSED. even the patron saint BdB can't escape the true believing comrades
but we're here for the OTHER story: student loan forgiveness:
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But right after the announcement about the so-called HQ2 came down, New York State Assembly Member Ron Kim made an announcement of his own: he'd be introducing legislation to take the money Cuomo and other officials promised and use it to cancel some of the over $80 billion in debt bogging down the state's student borrowers.
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Still, Hockett told me the same general concept could be applied to student debt. Each state would have to pass laws to make sure debt was clearly considered property—that is, something the government can claim domain over—if it wasn't already. Then they would have to create an agency or state-backed entity to take care of buying up and canceling the debts. Foundations and other benevolent organizations would help foot the cost to the cities.
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"We've been planning this since well before the Amazon announcement, but now that that's been made, we're [going to] point to that, too, because it shows the state is able to help some people out," Hockett said. "So why not the people who are actually hurting because of debt burdens?"
what could go wrong with states choosing to buy up the student loan debt of its citizens? this for sure will end up being a much larger net positive than the AmazonHQ deal
Posted on 11/18/18 at 4:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
How do these people not understand the difference between a tax break and giving entities money
Posted on 11/18/18 at 4:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
If you end cheap and easy student loans, then a debt jubilee could make economic sense.
If you keep the current regime, that’s just madness.
Either way, we need to stop subsidizing school loans.
If you keep the current regime, that’s just madness.
Either way, we need to stop subsidizing school loans.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 5:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
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what could go wrong with states choosing to buy up the student loan debt of its citizens? this for sure will end up being a much larger net positive than the AmazonHQ deal
Student loan debt is going to manifest itself as an issue in untold ways. The societal cost of all the Millennials not being able to buy homes and start families might be so great some sort of populist measure might be smart. I have never seen a socialist program that works, so don't think I'm suggesting it, especially not something designed by the Democrats, but it's definitely food for thought. I will agree with Democrats that we shouldn't have privatized student loans. It created a monster.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 5:00 pm to upgrayedd
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How do these people not understand the difference between a tax break and giving entities money
these same people believe Jeff Bezos has $150B just sitting in a checking account somewhere
Posted on 11/18/18 at 5:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
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project that's going to cause a lot of hardship for working-class New Yorkers."
Vice doesn't understand simple Econ
Posted on 11/18/18 at 5:02 pm to TeLeFaWx
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The societal cost of all the Millennials not being able to buy homes
they make that argument in the article
AFTER decrying the impact Amazon will have on housing prices b/c of the demand it will create
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I will agree with Democrats that we shouldn't have privatized student loans. It created a monster.
wait what? you talking about Obama's policy re: processing the loan repayments?
Posted on 11/18/18 at 5:03 pm to TeLeFaWx
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I will agree with Democrats that we shouldn't have privatized student loans.
The government in the student loan business is what caused the student loan bubble not private lenders.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 5:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
these people are fricking idiots. Many of the Amazon employees will be people already living in New York.
The total number of potential employees is small relative to the population of NYC.
The total number of potential employees is small relative to the population of NYC.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 5:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
If student debt is forgiven, I want my credit card debt, car debt, and mortgage all forgiven....
Posted on 11/18/18 at 5:09 pm to JOJO Hammer
It all can be through bankruptcy
Posted on 11/18/18 at 5:12 pm to JOJO Hammer
If student debt is forgiven I want a check for 50k for paying off my wife’s in 2014. We lived hand to mouth to pay those off before we got married
This post was edited on 11/18/18 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 11/18/18 at 5:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
I’d love to see this happen for the lulz
Posted on 11/18/18 at 5:15 pm to TexasTiger1984
yeah i've posted this before but if SL debt is forgiven i want a fricking check or i may snap
i sacrificed a ton to pay off the majority of mine early (which includes the schools i chose to save money)
i passed on Europe in undergrad AND in law school
i sacrificed a ton to pay off the majority of mine early (which includes the schools i chose to save money)
i passed on Europe in undergrad AND in law school
Posted on 11/18/18 at 5:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
Yea we gave up a lot to pay that shite off as fast as possible. My wife’s older sister still hasn’t paid hers off but sure has had a lot of fun. New cars every year or two, lots of vacations etc. the thought of her getting her loans forgiven pisses me off like no other.
And her and her husband don’t own a house or have kids yet. Not because they couldn’t have afforded it, but because they prioritized living the high life rather for saving... don’t get me wrong, I’m not against having fun but this excuse that milenials can’t aford to buy house has a lot more to do with priorities and educational choices than it does with having loans to pay off
And her and her husband don’t own a house or have kids yet. Not because they couldn’t have afforded it, but because they prioritized living the high life rather for saving... don’t get me wrong, I’m not against having fun but this excuse that milenials can’t aford to buy house has a lot more to do with priorities and educational choices than it does with having loans to pay off
This post was edited on 11/18/18 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 11/18/18 at 5:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
As someone that is 27 with student loan I don’t want it to be paid off with the government. You forgive student loan what’s next, housing? I can’t believe we keep continually discussing subsidizing people’s decisions.
Posted on 11/18/18 at 5:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
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yeah i've posted this before but if SL debt is forgiven i want a fricking check or i may snap
i sacrificed a ton to pay off the majority of mine early (which includes the schools i chose to save money)
i passed on Europe in undergrad AND in law school
If my loans get forgiven, I'll buy you a drink for subsidizing my summer in Lyon
Posted on 11/18/18 at 5:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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choosing to buy up the student loan debt
More than anything else, of all the negative, the worst thing is that it legitimizes all these worthless liberal arts degrees. It's bad enough the universities offer the programs, even worst that they promote them. But the true crime is that the freddie maes and fannie macks of the world give those worthless degrees legitimacy by funding the tuition. Those students shouldnt be surprised when there's no market for those degrees, and they should suffer like anyone else who makes a bad business(life) decision.
If the government bails them out, there will be no end to the parade of worthless, paper coming out of colleges
Posted on 11/18/18 at 5:23 pm to TexasTiger1984
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lots of vacations
i have gone on small, budget vacations (esp the past 2 year with my gf) but their cost (for both of us) was probably sub-1500 each time
if i wasn't worried about SLs? i'd have had some baller arse vacations
Posted on 11/18/18 at 5:30 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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The government in the student loan business is what caused the student loan bubble not private lenders.
This kind of thinking is what fricks my fellow conservatives. Sallie Mae wasn't privatized til 97 and the bubble followed. That's for a variety of reasons, not just for reasons that would get cheers at a Bernie rally.
Either way, the argument you're making is the same as the failed Republican arguments on health care. The status quo isn't a free market regardless of how much the Republicans want it to be, and if they don't do anything about it and just keep saying empty Econ 101 platitudes like you just did, then the populist backlash won't be Trump next time, it'll be socialism that ruins the country.
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