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re: Verdict reached in Arbery trial
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:11 pm to BamaGradinTn
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:11 pm to BamaGradinTn
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I don't know if he was given the opportunity, but the third guy was a fricking idiot if he refused to take a plea in return for testimony against the father/son.
There was no reason to give him a plea deal. Ole boy said he hit Arbery with his vehicle and wished that would’ve stopped him.
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Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:12 pm to BamaGradinTn
a dude goes onto property, take a picture.
Even the cops wouldn't have approached him with their guns drawn.
Even the cops wouldn't have approached him with their guns drawn.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
The jury social justice warrior’d the Roddie Bryan verdict.
The father and son were guilty.
The father and son were guilty.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:15 pm to The Boat
He hit Arbery with his vehicle on purpose. He was a direct part of escalating the interaction. It sucks. But It’s hard to argue it’s inappropriate.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:19 pm to the808bass
Yea it goes along with play stupid games win stupid prizes. Dude has shitbag aquantances he associated himself with and eventually it cost him the rest of his life in prison.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:19 pm to the808bass
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This is a sentence by itself. It means something. You don’t want to even read it, you dumb fricking count.
You see someone (in your presence) steal a pack of gum. You can perform a citizen's arrest.
You see someone steal an expensive TV, its value is enough to make that theft a felony. You can attempt a citizen's arrest because it occurred in your presence.
Why would the law also require "reasonable and probably suspicion" on top of "in your presence/immediate knowledge" for a felony? That's a step down. There's a reason why there's a step down once the offense is a felony... You just don't like the reason.
That argument sounds about as stupid as you. So no surprise there.
This post was edited on 11/24/21 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:21 pm to Azkiger
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If the offense was committed in your presence, why would you also need "reasonable and probable grounds for suspicion" if that offense was a felony?
these dumbasses couldn't even name the felony that they were stopping him for. I think if you have reasonable and probable suspicion of a felony occurring you might be able to articulate what felony it was, they couldn't even do that.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:22 pm to AMS
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these dumbasses couldn't even name the felony that they were stopping him for. I think if you have reasonable and probable suspicion of a felony occurring you might be able to articulate what felony it was, they couldn't even do that.
"I don't know if he committed a felony" =/= "I Have no reason to suspect he committed a felony"
This post was edited on 11/24/21 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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They just assumed he was stealing and went after him. They were the clear aggressors, Arbury was the one who attempted to defend himself and had every right to do it.
When asked what he was doing in their neighborhood, Arbury, as an American, had every right to tell them it was none of their fricking business.
When told to stop and stay there, he had every right as an American to tell them to go frick themselves. Yet McMichael said "Stop or I'll blow your f—king head off!" Then after he shoots him, he blurts out "fricking ****."
Sure, the guy had no good reason to be going through the construction site. Yet it's funny that as many times as he was seen on camera, he was NEVER seen taking anything. All of which is completely irrelevant. Dumbass rednecks should have just taken their photos and called the cops.
Arbery owed them no explanation whatsoever.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:26 pm to the808bass
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I don't know if he was given the opportunity, but the third guy was a fricking idiot if he refused to take a plea in return for testimony against the father/son.
There was no reason to give him a plea deal. Ole boy said he hit Arbery with his vehicle and wished that would’ve stopped him.
It sounds like ole boy was stupid for saying lots of things. Why admit to any of that without a deal on the table?
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:27 pm to Azkiger
They didn't know if he had committed ANY crime. It's hard to get reasonable suspicion of a felony when they didn't know he had done anything wrong at all. That is from their own statements.
Your fantasy of them being some detective figuring out a crime is just a fantasy. They admitted they just felt like they should confront him. The facts are obviously and blatantly not on your side. Enjoy your fantasy.
Your fantasy of them being some detective figuring out a crime is just a fantasy. They admitted they just felt like they should confront him. The facts are obviously and blatantly not on your side. Enjoy your fantasy.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Entering property with the intent to steal is a felony in GA.
No evidence of this. Which is why they are going to jail for a long time. Good riddance.
Especially given the fact that apparently he was caught on camera on the premises multiple times, but NEVER taking anything.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:31 pm to Azkiger
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If that offense is a felony, then you don't need it to have been committed in your presence or immediate knowledge. Reasonable and probably grounds of suspicion is enough.
Entering property with the intent to steal is a felony in GA.
How can you prove intent to steal if nothing was stolen? Seems like that charge could only be applied after something was stolen. From everything I have seen, criminal trespass in Georgia is a misdemeanor even criminal trespass for an unlawful purpose is still listed as a misdemeanor. Only if damage is done in excess of $500 will it then possibly be upgraded to a felony. Granted, I have not read everything but that is what I could find with a small amount of searching.
If all you need is to believe a felony has been committed, without witnessing it and no knowledge of it, then how would you know who to stop for committing the felony? I don't think a black guy running through the neighborhood is reasonable suspicion of commission of a felony. Maybe if he was covered in blood or running while carrying multiple power tools but outside of that, I don't see it.
This post was edited on 11/24/21 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:33 pm to the808bass
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He hit Arbery with his vehicle on purpose. He was a direct part of escalating the interaction. It sucks. But It’s hard to argue it’s inappropriate.
It was like a hillbilly Benny Hill. Ole boy just saw the truck with an armed guy in the bed chasing a black dude down the street and was like, yeee haw! let me get in on that! Ain't go a weapon but got a truck!
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:34 pm to AMS
In your presence/immediate knowledge <- Offenses AND FELONIES require this.
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Reasonable and probably suspicion. <- Only felonies require this, even though it's below a standard already set by the previous sentence.
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I have no clue.
Makes perfect sense...
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Reasonable and probably suspicion. <- Only felonies require this, even though it's below a standard already set by the previous sentence.
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I have no clue.
Makes perfect sense...This post was edited on 11/24/21 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:35 pm to AMS
Darwin grabbed the gun. One less criminal in Atlanta, 3.rednecks with their lives temporarily ruined.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:36 pm to Nurbis
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How can you prove intent to steal if nothing was stolen? Seems like that charge could only be applied after something was stolen. From everything I have seen, criminal trespass in Georgia is a misdemeanor even criminal trespass for an unlawful purpose is still listed as a misdemeanor. Only if damage is done in excess of $500 will it then possibly be upgraded to a felony. Granted, I have not read everything but that is what I could find with a small amount of searching.
They didn't even know if he had trespassed at all that day. Let alone with intent to steal anything. Azkiger is just cooking up some fantasy hypothetical that is directly contrary to the actual facts.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:38 pm to LSU7096
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Darwin grabbed the gun.
Us conservative types consider that self defense, your most precious right.
Posted on 11/24/21 at 2:42 pm to Azkiger
They couldn't articulate a crime they suspected him of committing that day. I think if you reasonably suspect that a crime was committed you would be able to articulate that crime. The convicted murders could not articulate a crime to blame him for.
No matter how much fantasy land you want to believe that they were justified, they plainly and simply were way out of line. It's just that simple.
No matter how much fantasy land you want to believe that they were justified, they plainly and simply were way out of line. It's just that simple.
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