re: Vaccine fear mongering

Ahhhh someone has come over from the NextDoor App it appears.

Why should I get a shot to ‘save’ the society that has done nothing but vilify my demographic for the past decade?

poli is now the covid board and the OT is now poli lite.

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The virus may mutate and the vaccine may no longer be effective but why would it create a deadlier virus?

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Aren’t you an MD? And you really are asking how this is possible?

Why don’t you start by reading papers submitted by other MDs and scientists?

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Quit with the bullshite. If you don’t want the vaccine don’t get it. But there is no need to start making stuff up.

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Okay.

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NIH encourages researchers to investigate reported changes in menstruation after COVID-19 vaccination

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Sure.

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Axillary lymphadenopathy following intramuscular vaccine has been observed with influenza and human papilloma virus vaccines, and recently with COVID-19 mRNA vaccines.2-4 We found that ipsilateral axillary nodal reactivity occurred after the first vaccine dose in 2 patients (5%) and after the second vaccine dose in 7 (26%); 4 patients (57%) after the second dose of the Moderna vaccine and 3 (15%) after the second dose of the Pfizer vaccine. In the Moderna trial, axillary swelling and tenderness on patient survey was reported in 1322 (11.6%) patients after the first dose (567 [5%] placebo) and in 1654 (16%) after the second dose (444 [4.3%] placebo) of vaccine; in the Pfizer trial, only unsolicited reactions were recorded.

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Enflamed lymph nodes can happen after a normal flu shot but for decades prior to this vaccine the medical advice was that if your lymph nodes are swollen for longer than two weeks you should speak to your doctor. Now?

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“Enlarged lymph nodes are visible as early as one day after vaccination, and they can remain enlarged for a month or more,” says Dr. Desperito. (Keep in mind that while you may stop feeling a swollen lymph node, which can feel like a lump in your armpit, it may still be visible on a scan.) Call your doctor if you still feel a swollen lymph node after six weeks following your vaccine.

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Now we move the goal posts back to 3x as long as was the previous advised period.

My argument on this has been and will always be that the problem is that we've rushed this. It normally takes 10-12 years for FDA approval with animal testing lasting a year then Phase I trials lasting a year (and that's not including Pre-Clinicals) yet here we are in what's actually Phase IV testing (4-5 years in) and the drug itself hasn't been in existence for two whole years yet.

There is precedence for this: Thalidomide.

Thalidomide went through 7 years of trials throughout the 1950's before being released in Europe in 1957. It quickly gained popularity and was in wide use by tens of thousands of people and being tested for use in the US before it was found to cause miscarriages and severe birth defects in 1961. That's a long-term effect which avoided trials somehow (in animal testing it had no issues at all, but then it didn't even make them drowsy despite dosages) yet we now have this less-than 2yr old concoction injected into well over 100M people in the US.

And when you fact-check if the process was rushed?

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The vaccine developers didn’t skip any testing steps, but conducted some of the steps on an overlapping schedule to gather data faster.

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They attempt to equate quality derived from observance over a period of time with quantity. That's not "science", that's "science-ism".

My point is and always has been: if you want to get the vaccine then get it, but do not attempt to mandate nor legislate (whether government or the private sector) that people must get it. That latter issue is what's causing the massive pushback from this board.

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My point is and always has been, if you want to get the vaccine then get it. However, do not attempt to mandate nor legislate (whether government or the private sector) that people must get it. That latter issue is what's causing the massive pushback from this board.

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This and don't lie about the side effects of the vaccines. Let people choose what to live with. Transparency has never been big governments strong suit.

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but don't bitch about the Government trying to get you to take the thing

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if the government is pushing it, i will absolutely bitch about it. Government is anti Freedom per the NYT

I don't fear monger about the vaccine.

I don't deride or criticize any person who CHOOSES to get it. My wife and children have taken the jab of their own volition.

What pisses me off is that people who have studied the issue and have concluded the "vaccine" is not for them are not being accorded the same level of respect.

Similarly, mandating vaccination is fricking ridiculous.

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It works the exact same fashion for antibiotics.

Should we stop using them as well?

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You realize this question proves the opposing point right?

What happens if you get a bacterial infection and start taking antibiotics and immediately stop over and over? The bacteria becomes resistant in your body and you get sicker

Somewhat similar idea here - the weaker vaccine is, in principle, giving the virus more room to adapt into a more lethal variation

Whereas, if the nature took its course, the opposite would usually happen

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This board is always preaching about fear mongering

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Do the research you effing sheep.