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re: Vaccine fear mongering
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:51 am to IslandBuckeye
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:51 am to IslandBuckeye
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Regarding the post you responded to on antibiotics for microbial infections: I do have a stance on people lacking expertise telling me my business. You are out of your depth on the topic of antibiotics in the treatment of microbial infections.
Then, by all means, explain in detail please.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:51 am to La Place Mike
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The more the Government pushes the vaccine the more push back there will be. Maybe the Government should stop pushing the vaccine and let people decide whether they should get it or not.
It's very difficult for people to take the advice of political figures who they KNOW do not have their best interests at heart (and would actually prefer to see them dead).
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:54 am to WaWaWeeWa
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How can you be so blind to your own fear mongering about the vaccine?
I don't know about fear mongering, I do question masses amounts of people taking a drug with no real data other than very short-term.
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Do you realize that every protein in your body was made through mRNA that your cells made?
Other than blood clots and other unknown issues, I'm sure you'll be fine.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 7:55 am to theunknownknight
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Aren’t you an MD? And you really are asking how this is possible?
Why don’t you start by reading papers submitted by other MDs and scientists?
Because a vaccination program specifically designed around the most pathogenic portion of the virus takes advantage of morphological characteristics of the virus itself as well as characteristics of RNA viruses broadly. It's possible that a deadlier version could be created, but with selective pressure placed on the most highly conserved portion of the virus, it is just as likely that the virus reaches its error threshold rate.
For that to be effective, you need a wider vaccination rollout, global rather than national. But the initial design of the mRNA vaccine is extremely clever.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 7:57 am
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:00 am to crazy4lsu
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But the initial design of the mRNA vaccine is extremely clever.
You tell me. Some terrorists in China are laughing their asses off right now watching us injecting ourselves with their designer spike protein.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:00 am to crazy4lsu
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Because a vaccination program specifically designed around the most pathogenic portion of the virus takes advantage of morphological characteristics of the virus itself as well as characteristics of RNA viruses broadly. It's possible that a deadlier version could be created, but with selective pressure placed on the most highly conserved portion of the virus, it is just as likely that the virus reaches its error threshold rate. For that to be effective, you need a wider vaccination rollout, global rather than national. But the initial design of the mRNA vaccine is extremely clever.
This isn't a vaccine program, its an experiment or investigative program.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:27 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
It’s not fear mongers going when it’s true. There healthy people I personally know died two days after taking the shot. And I’ve heard of many more. It’s not an uncommon story.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:31 am to FredBear
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Like I need your permission. frick off dude, it's absolutely none of your business what I do or don't do
How many times do I have to say this myself
I don’t give a shite what you do
I just think it’s getting a little ridiculous with the vaccine fear mongers when we have posts about random doctors on Twitter saying 66% of vaccine takers have micro clots in their lungs with no evidence.
Really? You think that’s legit?
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:33 am to theunknownknight
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Aren’t you an MD? And you really are asking how this is possible?
Yes and yes.
Explain to me why a a vaccine would cause a virus to mutate to become more deadly. Then explain to me why natural immunity wouldn’t do that also.
It should be easy for you since you are so shocked that I don’t understand.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:38 am to GeauxFightingTigers1
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This isn't a vaccine program, its an experiment or investigative program.
It's something along those lines.
They clearly have patents on the vaccines and the test. I think even the virus itself. Some of vaccines were patented before the pandemic.
Each variant is likely not an actual variant, but just a different DNA section of the original virus. It can be whatever they decide to test for.
Here is the video again. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihjNDf32_Ac
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:38 am to theunknownknight
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What happens if you get a bacterial infection and start taking antibiotics and immediately stop over and over? The bacteria becomes resistant in your body and you get sicker Somewhat similar idea here - the weaker vaccine is, in principle, giving the virus more room to adapt into a more lethal variation
Thanks for proving my point.
If you stop and start antibiotics then the bacteria become RESISTANT TO THE ANTIBIOTICS
The bacteria doesn’t become more deadly you just don’t have an antibiotic to treat it with.
Covid is a viral infection. It doesn’t require treatment and we aren’t talking about treatment. We are talking about prevention.
That means that if the virus mutates away from the vaccine then it’s no worse than never having received the vaccine to begin with.
There is no pressure to mutate to a deadlier virus.
Period.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:39 am to WaWaWeeWa
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Explain to me why a a vaccine would cause a virus to mutate to become more deadly. Then explain to me why natural immunity wouldn’t do that also.
Because the vaccine is proving to be weaker by far than our natural immunity
I’m sure you know the numbers on natural reinfection rates versus infection rates among the vaccinated
Are you really proposing they have the same success rate? Because if not, wouldn’t that open the door to answering your own question?
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:42 am to theunknownknight
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Because the vaccine is proving to be weaker by far than our natural immunity
Let’s just assume you are correct that vaccine immunity is “weaker”
Why does that produce a deadlier virus mutant?
We have incomplete and sometimes “weak” vaccination yearly to the flu. Does the flu steadily get stronger and more deadly every year
You keep avoiding the huge jump in logic from ineffective to deadly.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:43 am to theunknownknight
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Because the vaccine is proving to be weaker by far than our natural immunity
You understand why, correct?
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:44 am to NashvilleTider
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There healthy people I personally know died two days after taking the shot. And I’ve heard of many more. It’s not an uncommon story.
The fact of the matter is it is way more uncommon than people dying of COVID....which in and of itself is pretty uncommon when you look at everything holistically.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:46 am to WaWaWeeWa
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WaWaWeeWa
If only you had any credibility on this site as anything other than a contrarian, we might consider your views valid and thought provoking.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 8:47 am
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:46 am to WaWaWeeWa
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The bacteria doesn’t become more deadly you just don’t have an antibiotic to treat it with.
What do you think causes the resistance? Magic fairies? No, gene transfer and DNA mutations leading to selective survival. And YES, it makes it more deadly
Creating an environment where a virus is not eradicated but, instead introduced to a different hostile environment over and over where it can survive and spread gives it more opportunity to become dangerous not less.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:48 am to WaWaWeeWa
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puts pressure to mutate faster.
Possibly. But that doesn’t mean a deadlier virus.
Not according to science and the media...the same one telling us to get the vaccine. Are you saying they are wrong? If so...why trust their opinion of the vaccine.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:50 am to WaWaWeeWa
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We have incomplete and sometimes “weak” vaccination yearly to the flu. Does the flu steadily get stronger and more deadly every year
The flu has different strains every year. And it dies out as vitamin D rates skyrocket during summer. They aren’t the same strains. How do you not know this?
COVID clearly doesn’t give a shite about vitamin D rates or summer (probably by design).
So here’s a bad idea…let’s introduce the same strain over and over to biological pressures that don’t eradicate it at all, but allow it to flourish.
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 8:51 am
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:51 am to WaWaWeeWa
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Vaccine and anti-vaccine fear mongering
Your socialist government loves you.
Keep fighting amongst yourselves so they can keep fricking you all in the arse without you caring or complaining about it.
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