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re: Vaccine fear mongering
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:52 am to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:52 am to WaWaWeeWa
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We have incomplete and sometimes “weak” vaccination yearly to the flu. Does the flu steadily get stronger and more deadly every year
What if COVID-19 is the result of pasts flu shots?
Not saying it is, but this virus was clearly grown in a lab. It could have derived from flu shots.
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Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:53 am to WaWaWeeWa
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There is no pressure to mutate to a deadlier virus.
Because of the inherent mutation rate of RNA viruses, mutations are assured, but those mutations exist as a range of genomic sequences around a predominant strain. By placing selective pressure on the most highly conserved, and most pathogenic portion of the virus, there then exists a considerable amount of selective pressure for the virus to find a stable workaround. Thus the virus coincidentally increases the chances of reaching its 'error threshold rate' as it deals with less genomic diversity from generation to generation.
I know you likely know this, but I still want to piggyback off your point, as the set assumption, for some reason, people have been repeating is that viruses become less virulent the longer they exist in a population. But without even distribution in a population, what is occurring is conservation of pathogenic portions of the virus. Viruses don't mutate to be less deadly, they mutate in response to environmental pressure, so that you see cyclical virulence rather than unidirectional. This is important because different people will make antibodies to different epitopes, thus allowing occult progression of a virus. What I'm saying is that any issues with regards to mutations that exist with the vaccine also exist with the virus itself. The longer it propagates in a population, the more time it has to find robust workarounds, as eventually, given the sheer number of mutations it has per generation (at a minimum 300,000 per generation).
This post was edited on 8/9/21 at 9:00 am
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:55 am to loogaroo
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What if COVID-19 is the result of pasts flu shots?
Not likely. Influenza has a segmented genome, which confers it specific advantages that other human viruses do not have, as it can undergo recombination, antigenic shift and antigenic drift. Coronaviruses do not share the same morphology with influenza.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:56 am to Blitzed
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Not according to science and the media...the same one telling us to get the vaccine. Are you saying they are wrong? If so...why trust their opinion of the vaccine.
Right. The people who:
1. Openly stole a presidential election.
2. Who deliberately import large numbers of foreigners with COVID.
3. Who 8 months ago told us that the vaccine was dangerous and we shouldn't take it.
4. Who call anyone who disagrees with them a racist as if that ends the conversation
5. Who openly admit they want to shut down all freedom and individuality and force everyone to do what the government says by force.
6. Who are openly aligned with the worst civil rights abusers in modern history
7. Who are secretly indoctrinating our children into LGBT culture
8. Who are teaching our children that the color of their skin determines their inherent morality
9. Who crow about wanting to reduce the population through any means.
This is your trusted source? Gee. Why don't I trust these people? Must be my racism kicking in.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 8:56 am to WaWaWeeWa
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How can you be so blind to your own fear mongering about the vaccine?
First off, like others, i'm not. I don't fear the vaccine or covid. And i'm not getting the shot because a) i don't want to and b) because i really don't like idiots telling me what to do.
But, to help you understand others better, which you apparently do not.
Based off of a year and a half of not really giving a shite about covid, and doing the bare minimum of the "guidelines", my chances of getting covid are extremely low. Less than 1%, low. Or maybe i've gotten covid and didn't know it, which would be even better. So my chances of getting covid are less than 1%. My chances of getting covid and then dying from it are even lower.
My chances of getting a shot that makes me sick for a couple days are much much higher. Covid, is a chance game. Small probability that i will catch it. But there is a 100% chance that if i chose to get one, i would get a shot. And of that 100% chance, there's a pretty high chance of feeling like shite for 3 days with the 1st one, and feeling like shite maybe longer for the 2nd one. So, why would i knowingly inject myself with something that there is about a 50/50 chance of feeling like shite a for a few days to protect me from a virus that i have less than 1% chance of getting, and have an even smaller % of feeling like shite?
Oh, and to your point about mutations, i just want to get this straight. Are you doubting mutations happen? If you listen to the Center of Disinformation for Covid (CDC) they have spotted hundreds of variants. And from the CDC, they are calling them all "dangerous". So, are you denying variants? Variants is a mutation.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 9:03 am to squid_hunt
And I don't want to railroad the conversation, but if any country in South America was acting this way, we would all agree the country was corrupt and headed down the wrong track. Why is anyone defending the actions of this administration? Look at this mess:
quote:
1. Openly stole a presidential election.
2. Who deliberately import large numbers of foreigners with COVID.
3. Who 8 months ago told us that the vaccine was dangerous and we shouldn't take it.
4. Who call anyone who disagrees with them a racist as if that ends the conversation
5. Who openly admit they want to shut down all freedom and individuality and force everyone to do what the government says by force.
6. Who are openly aligned with the worst civil rights abusers in modern history
7. Who are secretly indoctrinating our children into LGBT culture
8. Who are teaching our children that the color of their skin determines their inherent morality
9. Who crow about wanting to reduce the population through any means.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 9:11 am to notsince98
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It takes 5 minutes to find videos of experts explaining how improperly issued vaccines at the wrong time puts pressure to mutate faster.
potentially.
could.
may be able to.
These are the missing words in your retort.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 9:14 am to notsince98
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It takes 5 minutes to find videos
Always the precursor to a great argument
Posted on 8/9/21 at 9:17 am to Damone
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Always the precursor to a great argument
So is blocking everything that disagrees with the CDC on all social media, but here we are.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 9:25 am to squid_hunt
Do your own research, folks. The truth is out there, and it is getting more hideous by the day.
How deep does this go?
Tune in this afternoon or watch on Stew Peters Rumble channel.
How deep does this go?
Tune in this afternoon or watch on Stew Peters Rumble channel.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 9:44 am to squid_hunt
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If only you had any credibility on this site as anything other than a contrarian
Don’t label me
I agree with the majority of this board on 90% of the topics posted.
Ask me about anything other than this vaccine and I bet chances are we agree.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 9:47 am to theunknownknight
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What do you think causes the resistance? Magic fairies? No, gene transfer and DNA mutations leading to selective survival. And YES, it makes it more deadly
No it doesn’t. A bacteria that is resistant isn’t more deadly in a vacuum. It’s more deadly because now it doesn’t have a treatment.
Bacteria in 1700 were equally as deadly as resistant bacteria today. Mainly because there wasn’t a treatment for that bacterial infection.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 9:50 am to theunknownknight
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The flu has different strains every year. And it dies out as vitamin D rates skyrocket during summer. They aren’t the same strains. How do you not know this?
That’s a hypothesis. How do you not know that?
Correlation doesn’t equal causation. I take vitamin D but it’s not a proven fact that flu is solely controlled by vitamin D. Vitamin d decreases in the winter because we are indoors. It’s also lower in the elderly and chronically ill. So it’s very easy for vitamin D to appear responsible. The jury is still out.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:37 am to crazy4lsu
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What I'm saying is that any issues with regards to mutations that exist with the vaccine also exist with the virus itself. The longer it propagates in a population, the more time it has to find robust workarounds, as eventually, given the sheer number of mutations it has per generation
Exactly.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:40 am to NashvilleTider
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There healthy people I personally know died two days after taking the shot
Sure they did.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:40 am to BugAC
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First off, like others, i'm not. I don't fear the vaccine or covid. And i'm not getting the shot because a) i don't want to and b) because i really don't like idiots telling me what to do. But, to help you understand others better, which you apparently do not.
Your reading comprehension sucks.
I 100% support your decision to not get the vaccine. The post is strictly about vaccine fear mongering. I.e. vaccines cause micro clots in the lungs of 66%
Do you think that’s fear mongering or not?
It’s the same as showing icu filled with ventilated covid patients on the news and saying all our kids are going to die.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 10:42 am to WaWaWeeWa
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WaWaWeeWa
Are you blind or dumb?
The Vaxx Cult on here started all of the shite by criticizing people for not getting the vaxx.
It's just payback time and the old goats in the Vaxx Cult are in a panic over side effects.
If the Vaxx Cult had minded their own fricking business this wouldn't have happened.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:00 am to 93and99
When a doctor from OLOL goes on the TV and says the hospitals are over run and our kids are going to die. We all rightfully call bullshite.
But if a random Twitter doctor says vaccinated people are getting micro clots in their lungs everyone here says “told ya so!”
For the record I think both scenarios are nuts
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:17 am to WaWaWeeWa
People should mind their own fricking business plain and simple.
The Vaxx Cult chose to stick their huge noses into other people's business.
The Vaxx Cult chose to stick their huge noses into other people's business.
Posted on 8/9/21 at 11:23 am to WaWaWeeWa
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Ask me about anything other than this vaccine and I bet chances are we agree.
We have disagree in the past but I still respected your opinion. This topic simply illustrates the power of fear. It has divided us with an emotional intensity that bewilders me.
For the most part, I simply avoid these threads now. It is not a hill I chose to die on. Godspeed.
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