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VA Tech eliminates legacy and early decision admissions in light of AA SCOTUS decision
Posted on 8/2/23 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 8/2/23 at 1:20 pm
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Every year, we examine our admissions and enrollment practices to ensure that we continue to strive for a best practice and innovative approach to providing access to a Virginia Tech education to all qualified applicants,” said Luisa Havens-Gerardo, vice provost for enrollment management, in a news release. “The discontinuation of the early decision plan and the use of legacy as a factor in admissions will allow us to improve the admissions process to benefit all students.”
Juan Espinoza, associate vice provost for enrollment management, said in the news release that university officials have “placed less and less emphasis on legacy in recent years, to the point that it’s not factoring into admissions decisions in any significant way.”
However, Espinoza added that legacy students have still wound up making up a significant portion of the school’s population: Although only about 12% of applicants are legacies, they make up over 20% of the incoming class.
“This demonstrates that legacy students are applying with all the academic and extracurricular preparation that they need to compete for admission,” said Espinoza.
Additionally, the university will no longer offer an early decision application deadline; instead, its early action application due date will move up to Nov. 15. The regular decision deadline of Jan. 15 will remain.
“By eliminating early decision, we are simplifying our application process and also leveling the playing field for all students, regardless of their household income,” said Espinoza.
According to the news release, about 20% of students in the school’s incoming class were selected through early decision.
Virginia Tech joins other universities that are updating their admissions processes to promote diversity in the wake of the Supreme Court’s affirmative action ruling. For example, Wesleyan University in Connecticut did away with legacy admissions last month.
“We know that diverse environments are the most powerful learning environments,” said Menah Pratt, vice president for diversity and strategic affairs, in the news release. “Our commitment to an inclusive university community prepares our graduates to engage with the world and its most pressing problems.”
Separately, on Tuesday, the University of Virginia said admissions officers won’t see an applicants race or ethnicity in a checkbox on applications. Prospective students, the university said, will have the chance to write an essay to explain their backgrounds and experiences.
P.S. Meanwhile, it looks like they need to diversify their admissions, enrollment and diversity staff.
Every year, we examine our admissions and enrollment practices to ensure that we continue to strive for a best practice and innovative approach to providing access to a Virginia Tech education to all qualified applicants,” said Luisa Havens-Gerardo, vice provost for enrollment management, in a news release. “The discontinuation of the early decision plan and the use of legacy as a factor in admissions will allow us to improve the admissions process to benefit all students.”
Juan Espinoza, associate vice provost for enrollment management, said in the news release that university officials have “placed less and less emphasis on legacy in recent years, to the point that it’s not factoring into admissions decisions in any significant way.”
However, Espinoza added that legacy students have still wound up making up a significant portion of the school’s population: Although only about 12% of applicants are legacies, they make up over 20% of the incoming class.
“This demonstrates that legacy students are applying with all the academic and extracurricular preparation that they need to compete for admission,” said Espinoza.
Additionally, the university will no longer offer an early decision application deadline; instead, its early action application due date will move up to Nov. 15. The regular decision deadline of Jan. 15 will remain.
“By eliminating early decision, we are simplifying our application process and also leveling the playing field for all students, regardless of their household income,” said Espinoza.
According to the news release, about 20% of students in the school’s incoming class were selected through early decision.
Virginia Tech joins other universities that are updating their admissions processes to promote diversity in the wake of the Supreme Court’s affirmative action ruling. For example, Wesleyan University in Connecticut did away with legacy admissions last month.
“We know that diverse environments are the most powerful learning environments,” said Menah Pratt, vice president for diversity and strategic affairs, in the news release. “Our commitment to an inclusive university community prepares our graduates to engage with the world and its most pressing problems.”
Separately, on Tuesday, the University of Virginia said admissions officers won’t see an applicants race or ethnicity in a checkbox on applications. Prospective students, the university said, will have the chance to write an essay to explain their backgrounds and experiences.
P.S. Meanwhile, it looks like they need to diversify their admissions, enrollment and diversity staff.
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Posted on 8/2/23 at 1:28 pm to conservativewifeymom
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However, Espinoza added that legacy students have still wound up making up a significant portion of the school’s population: Although only about 12% of applicants are legacies, they make up over 20% of the incoming class.
Families sending their kids to the same college they graduated from and/or kids applying to the same college their parents went to isn't the same as giving a prospective student preferential treatment because their parents attended the school. And it's absolutely not the same thing as using race, gender, sexual proclivity, etc. as determinants.
The only merit considered should be educational scores. Period.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 1:32 pm to conservativewifeymom
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Havens-Gerardo
Every fricking time they have a hyphenated last name
This post was edited on 8/2/23 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 8/2/23 at 1:37 pm to conservativewifeymom
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Separately, on Tuesday, the University of Virginia said admissions officers won’t see an applicants race or ethnicity in a checkbox on applications. Prospective students, the university said, will have the chance to write an essay to explain their backgrounds and experiences.
A work around for affirmative action.
Now who's a threat to our democracy by not respecting our elected government and their appointed officials?
These people are terrorists. They need to be surveilled, be on a watch list and unable to purcahse firearms, and subject to mobs of people harassing them without police intervention. Where are the investigations? Where are the arrests?
Did I do it right?
Posted on 8/2/23 at 1:50 pm to conservativewifeymom
Why dump early admission? Isn’t the whole fricking point of that to lock in students considered in high demand lest they go elsewhere?
Posted on 8/2/23 at 2:02 pm to Bard
Meh, I am OK with legacies not getting preferential admissions treatment.
If people want to establish scholarships for legacies...it's their money.
If people want to establish scholarships for legacies...it's their money.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 2:36 pm to conservativewifeymom
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“We know that diverse environments are the most powerful learning environments,”
Is that so?
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said Menah Pratt, vice president for diversity and strategic affairs
Ah. Carry on
Posted on 8/2/23 at 2:41 pm to Bard
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Families sending their kids to the same college they graduated from and/or kids applying to the same college their parents went to isn't the same as giving a prospective student preferential treatment because their parents attended the school. And it's absolutely not the same thing as using race, gender, sexual proclivity, etc. as determinants.
It’s definitely not the same
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The only merit considered should be educational scores. Period.
So you agree with the decision to eliminate legacies then
Posted on 8/2/23 at 3:09 pm to Bard
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The only merit considered should be educational scores. Period.
I don't think race should be a factor, but judging on straight test scores is dumb as well.
Why even have interviews or do extra-curricular activities?
I have no issue with colleges recruiting well-rounded students, rather than just academic robots.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 3:10 pm to conservativewifeymom
Prospective students, the university said, will have the chance to write an essay to explain their backgrounds and experiences.
I am black.
-The end
I am black.
-The end
Posted on 8/2/23 at 3:11 pm to conservativewifeymom
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Additionally, the university will no longer offer an early decision application deadline; instead, its early action application due date will move up to Nov. 15. The regular decision deadline of Jan. 15 will remain.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 3:15 pm to CajunAlum Tiger Fan
Posted on 8/2/23 at 3:33 pm to conservativewifeymom
The workarounds often cause just as much damage.
In Texas legacy admits and racial preferences are illegal. So they came up with the Top 10% rule (UT is not Top 6%). Thus the Top 10/6% of Grads from Texas HS's get auto admission. That's fine except Texas has 31 million people in it and the quality of HS varies VASTLY.
You have HS's in Texas that are lucky to have 10% of Grads that are minimally college ready and are huge (3000 student huge). So you can have theoretically 70 or 80 kids from that class who qualify as Top 10% even if they got a 1000 on their SAT or less.
You also have some of the best HS's in the country in Texas that flat out manufacture college ready kids and some are also huge. They are primarily in the Suburbs of the big cities in DFW, Houston, Austin, and San Antonio. I know kids outside the Top 10% who got into Vanderbilt and UC Berkeley but aren't auto admit to A&M or Texas. Not uncommon for a kid to be Top 10-25% and have a 1450 SAT with over 30 hours of AP Credit and maybe made 1 B in High School in brutal AP class. A lot of those extremely bright kids end up going OOS on scholarships because unless you are National Merit you aren't getting a merit scholarship at A&M and Texas is even harder. My eldest couldn't get into College Station but got into Galveston (which is technically an adjuct so he is still considered a full Aggie and gets football tix for instance). He was around Top 50% of his class in HS but just did 22 hours at A&M with a 4.0 and thinks A&M is easier than HS. Meanwhile plenty of Top 10% kids from crap HS's are barely hanging on or flunking out.
This also has killed the legacies. Lots of kids like my son would only want to go to College Station out of the gate and that's very difficult if you aren't in that Top 10%. So they end up going to often other SEC schools or OU on heavy scholarships for cheaper than A&M In State tuition because those schools recruit big Texas HS's HEAVILY. More kids from my son's class in Austin are going to Arkansas than A&M or Texas, that's crazy. It definitely hurts the school as well because a lot of big donors get pissed when their kid is just shy of regular admission but gets denied. I know a 7 figure donor that cut A&M off because his Grandson fit that category.
TLDR. GPA, SAT/ACT Scores, and AP/Dual Credit should count huge for college admissions if you are looking for quality of student. Kids that have all 3 of those in spades tend to succeed anywhere. Hardship and other activities are nice too but in the end Math DGAF. I could post for days on this topic.
In Texas legacy admits and racial preferences are illegal. So they came up with the Top 10% rule (UT is not Top 6%). Thus the Top 10/6% of Grads from Texas HS's get auto admission. That's fine except Texas has 31 million people in it and the quality of HS varies VASTLY.
You have HS's in Texas that are lucky to have 10% of Grads that are minimally college ready and are huge (3000 student huge). So you can have theoretically 70 or 80 kids from that class who qualify as Top 10% even if they got a 1000 on their SAT or less.
You also have some of the best HS's in the country in Texas that flat out manufacture college ready kids and some are also huge. They are primarily in the Suburbs of the big cities in DFW, Houston, Austin, and San Antonio. I know kids outside the Top 10% who got into Vanderbilt and UC Berkeley but aren't auto admit to A&M or Texas. Not uncommon for a kid to be Top 10-25% and have a 1450 SAT with over 30 hours of AP Credit and maybe made 1 B in High School in brutal AP class. A lot of those extremely bright kids end up going OOS on scholarships because unless you are National Merit you aren't getting a merit scholarship at A&M and Texas is even harder. My eldest couldn't get into College Station but got into Galveston (which is technically an adjuct so he is still considered a full Aggie and gets football tix for instance). He was around Top 50% of his class in HS but just did 22 hours at A&M with a 4.0 and thinks A&M is easier than HS. Meanwhile plenty of Top 10% kids from crap HS's are barely hanging on or flunking out.
This also has killed the legacies. Lots of kids like my son would only want to go to College Station out of the gate and that's very difficult if you aren't in that Top 10%. So they end up going to often other SEC schools or OU on heavy scholarships for cheaper than A&M In State tuition because those schools recruit big Texas HS's HEAVILY. More kids from my son's class in Austin are going to Arkansas than A&M or Texas, that's crazy. It definitely hurts the school as well because a lot of big donors get pissed when their kid is just shy of regular admission but gets denied. I know a 7 figure donor that cut A&M off because his Grandson fit that category.
TLDR. GPA, SAT/ACT Scores, and AP/Dual Credit should count huge for college admissions if you are looking for quality of student. Kids that have all 3 of those in spades tend to succeed anywhere. Hardship and other activities are nice too but in the end Math DGAF. I could post for days on this topic.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 3:50 pm to conservativewifeymom
Alumni donations/endowments drop precipitously when Billy snd Sally are denied admission. Tuitions skyrocket. More federal student loans. Loans forgiven. What could go wrong?
Posted on 8/2/23 at 3:57 pm to conservativewifeymom
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“The discontinuation of the early decision plan and the use of legacy as a factor in admissions will allow us to improve the admissions process to benefit all students.”
Wait 'til your alums stop writing checks to the university when their kids and grandkids don't get into VTU.
Posted on 8/2/23 at 4:35 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
From a business prospective, I don't have a problem with legacy admissions.
By keeping legacy admissions open, the university incentivizes alums to donate. If you convince alumni to help “subsidize” the university’s resources and endowment by reserving spots for a few borderline students, the whole university benefits. Admittance does not guarantee graduation, so the validity of the degree shouldn't be considered watered down.
Many universities consider students as more than just income while they attend school and also consider their expected future value. It's why elite schools take the top students for athletics and grades. Loyal alumni are another target customer that build the brand and can provide lifetime giving.
I think the argument against legacy admissions is stronger with state-funded schools, but it could also be considered shortsighted.
Unfortunately, life's not fair and everything isn't a meritocracy. Most students that graduate from average large state schools with good grades would also do well at elite private schools.
By keeping legacy admissions open, the university incentivizes alums to donate. If you convince alumni to help “subsidize” the university’s resources and endowment by reserving spots for a few borderline students, the whole university benefits. Admittance does not guarantee graduation, so the validity of the degree shouldn't be considered watered down.
Many universities consider students as more than just income while they attend school and also consider their expected future value. It's why elite schools take the top students for athletics and grades. Loyal alumni are another target customer that build the brand and can provide lifetime giving.
I think the argument against legacy admissions is stronger with state-funded schools, but it could also be considered shortsighted.
Unfortunately, life's not fair and everything isn't a meritocracy. Most students that graduate from average large state schools with good grades would also do well at elite private schools.
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