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re: U.S. Navy sends Iranian tanker to the bottom.
Posted on 9/7/26 at 6:05 pm to Boom33
Posted on 9/7/26 at 6:05 pm to Boom33
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Pipelines also have limits. They'll need to make a bunch of new ones the entire distance. There isn't enough capacity in the existing pipelines to handle all that flow. Countries like Saudi Arabia that would handle the bulk of the volume didn't really build theirs with these things in mind.
Natural Gas has issues also.
And that is after the countries like Iraq build their part.
It'll help for sure, but it won't stop the entire need of the strait.
I don't believe this is correct.
Saudi's have ramped up flow over the past months to 7+ millions barrels/day from their normal 2 million. 5-6 million more / day, although they are having to transit the red sea dark now because of Houthi sympathizers.
oilprice.com
And none of this is new... it's explicitly why many Arab nations constructed pipelines...
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It is worth noting that the risk of Iran closing off the Strait of Hormuz was precisely what made Saudi Arabia decide to build the East-West pipeline in the first place, back in the 1980s, as Reuters’ energy columnist Ron Bousso noted in an overview of alternative oil and gas routes out of the Middle East in the aftermath of the Hormuz crisis.
In fact, production pipelines are pumping record numbers of oil already, while as you state... the new are constructed.
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Posted on 9/7/26 at 6:19 pm to Boom33
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Boom33
You are an idiot troll. Go away.
Posted on 9/7/26 at 6:39 pm to SOSFAN
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China was trading and getting cheap oil from Venezuela and Iran now that's over. Russia can't afford to sell cheap as China is used to plus they have their own energy needs. Trump is playing the long game...man is not a dummy
Yes, China gets its oil from many sources. As I said, their strategy is to diversify. It's not because they can't get it from other sources, they purposely try to get it from as many sources as possible.
Why do they diversify? Exactly for these reasons.
Posted on 9/7/26 at 6:39 pm to Boom33
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Iran wasn't blocking the strait before the war started.
Yet.
They were going to play the choke point card with or without our action.
It’s the only card they have.
Posted on 9/7/26 at 6:43 pm to Boom33
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Why do they diversify? Exactly
Their 2 biggest providers are now out of their picture...hell we took one of their providers oil.
Posted on 9/7/26 at 6:44 pm to TrueTiger
That's ridiculous and you know it. "They might have clogged the Strait, so we needed to start this war!"
Posted on 9/7/26 at 6:53 pm to Bunk Moreland
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That's ridiculous and you know it. "They might have clogged the Strait, so we needed to start this war!"
Rough day?
You sound upset.
Posted on 9/7/26 at 6:54 pm to RohanGonzales
It's weird seeing people eat up DOW propaganda. But, you do you.
Posted on 9/7/26 at 6:56 pm to Bunk Moreland
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That's ridiculous and you know it. "They might have clogged the Strait, so we needed to start this war!"
It’s the only card they have to get leverage in the region.
It was coming regardless.
Posted on 9/7/26 at 6:59 pm to captainFid
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I don't believe this is correct.
Saudi's have ramped up flow over the past months to 7+ millions barrels/day from their normal 2 million. 5-6 million more / day, although they are having to transit the red sea dark now because of Houthi sympathizers.
oilprice.com
And none of this is new... it's explicitly why many Arab nations constructed pipelines...
7 million is about what the max is right now through the East-West Pipeline. I think they have plans to add more pipeline to take it up to 9 million.
It was designed for Saudi oil, not the entire middle east. It was built in the 80s because of the Iraq/Iran war.
Before the war it would do over 2 million per day, so that leaves it able to take about 5 million extra barrels per day it can move. Which it is currently doing, but it's also 100% saudi oil.
It needs to be able to handle about 22 million per day to take the entire load off the strait.
It also handles a good bit of their own domestic transportation.
It'll help. But we are a long way off from it being the solution.
Posted on 9/7/26 at 6:59 pm to Bunk Moreland
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It's weird seeing people eat up DOW propaganda. But, you do you.
So me pointing out that you are acting like a bitch has something to do with "propaganda"?
I did not comment on the story, I commented on your continual discomfort whenever something detrimental to Iran is posted.
Maybe I will get pouty when my team is the beneficiary of in our face corruption.
Posted on 9/7/26 at 7:00 pm to loogaroo
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You are an idiot troll. Go away.
You are a cancel culture snowflake.
Did I infringe on your safe space?
Posted on 9/7/26 at 7:02 pm to TrueTiger
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Yet.
They were going to play the choke point card with or without our action.
It’s the only card they have.
But they didn't.
I'm unaware of any issues in the strait since the 80s when US backed Iraq and Iran were at war.
Posted on 9/7/26 at 7:10 pm to SOSFAN
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Their 2 biggest providers are now out of their picture...hell we took one of their providers oil.
It's not their 2 biggest providers at all. Russia does more than both Iran and Venezuela combined. Their 2 biggest suppliers are Russia and Saudi Arabia. But even that is less than half their supply.
That's what the entire point of them diversifying is. They don't want to rely on just 1 or 2 sources.
They are directly connected to Russia and Russia has plenty more oil they could sell them if needed. They have multiple direct pipelines between them, and very short maritime shipping compared to the ME.
And they do get the majority of their oil from the middle east, but it's largely from places like Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iraq etc. All the bypasses and such will apply to them as well.
Again, they diversify who they buy from specifically for these reasons. We haven't hurting them, if anything we are allowing them to test the system.
Posted on 9/7/26 at 7:17 pm to Boom33
If you don't believe this has hurt China and put pressure on them then you really don't understand the situation.
Posted on 9/7/26 at 7:19 pm to SOSFAN
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If you don't believe this has hurt China and put pressure on them then you really don't understand the situation.
I'll put it like this.
If it has hurt China in any significant way, or put any kind of real pressure on them, then all you are really doing is asking them to cozy up with Russia more.
Because that's where the difference is going to come from.
And I'm pretty sure that's about the last thing we want happening.
Btw, do you know what started the Pacific side of the war with Japen in WW2?
This post was edited on 9/7/26 at 7:20 pm
Posted on 9/7/26 at 7:29 pm to Boom33
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I'm unaware of any issues in the strait since the 80s when US backed Iraq and Iran were at war.
Iran generally used selective seizures, harassment, threats, and military demonstrations rather than attempting to stop all traffic. There have been plenty of issues in the strait, but not complete closures. As recently as 2019,Commercial tankers were attacked with mines and explosives near Fujairah and in the Gulf of Oman. There have been repeated serious incidents—including tanker seizures, drone confrontations and near-firefights since then. I'm not making a comment on the conflict, as there is much I don't know, but there have certainly been issues.
Posted on 9/7/26 at 7:38 pm to B747Tiger
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Imagine thinking the sinking of this tanker has anything to do with the Strait of Hormuz.
I don’t need to imagine that, I think it.
Posted on 9/7/26 at 7:39 pm to Bunk Moreland
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That's opening up a can of worms. Ukraine and Russia are now blowing up all kinds of civilian warehouses based on some of these BS excuses.
That can has been opened at least since warfare was recorded history.
Posted on 9/7/26 at 7:54 pm to Boom33
So don’t mess with chinee
Got ya sport
Got ya sport
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