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re: US manufacturing labor productivity annual increase rises to a fifteen-year high.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 5:46 pm to DarthRebel
Posted on 4/3/26 at 5:46 pm to DarthRebel
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Poweman is legit triggered by this thread. Just calm down powerman, it is going ti be ok.
People get overly emotional about tariffs for some reason and when there are positive results due to tariffs they really get upset
If I think something is bad policy for the country, and end up being wrong, I don’t get angry. I’m happy to be wrong because I don’t tether myself to strict ideology I just want America to be strong and successful
To gain wisdom and maturity one must be able to admit they were wrong and learn from the facts. Otherwise you’re choosing willful ignorance
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 5:51 pm to Nosevens
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That was Obama statement on Trump- what is Trump going to do wave a magic wand or something—
Obama's statement was about manufacturing JOBS. Not manufacturing productivity.
After one year of Trump 2.0 we have lost over 108,000 manufacturing jobs.
Posted on 4/3/26 at 6:03 pm to Powerman
OMB!
Posted on 4/3/26 at 7:52 pm to prouddawg
lol perfect
Posted on 4/3/26 at 8:03 pm to jbdawgs03
Best President ever
Posted on 4/3/26 at 8:11 pm to Powerman
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Obama's statement was about manufacturing JOBS. Not manufacturing productivity.
After one year of Trump 2.0 we have lost over 108,000 manufacturing jobs.
As of February 2026, the U.S. manufacturing sector employed about 12.573 million people
The stat you are pointing out is called "statistical noise".
How many people in those jobs retired in the past year?
How many of those retiree jobs did not need to be backfilled because of efficiency improvements?
I don't know. I guarantee you don't, either. All of your "analysis is always either copy-paste or one vatiable bullshite to support your position.
I can almost guarantee you have never continued researching after you find a one number solution that you need.
108000 out of 12.53 million
You would not pass a freshman course with that "analysis".
Posted on 4/4/26 at 10:36 pm to gon33
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Where is the good news? It's propaganda
So your moronic arse links all the negative media reports as being true, even when proven not to be true, yet 15 year highs in productivity is propaganda
Youre such a dumbass, You need another good banning
Posted on 4/5/26 at 1:10 am to RobbBobb
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So your moronic arse links all the negative media reports as being true, even when proven not to be true, yet 15 year highs in productivity is propaganda
Youre such a dumbass, You need another good banning
I don't often link media reports at all.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 5:07 am to Riverside
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More domestic manufacturing leads to greater productivity.
No, that’s dead wrong. An increase in domestic manufacturing, in the absence of any other changes, will lead to lower productivity. This is because the most efficient productivity has already been selected by the free market. The incremental productivity added is the lower productivity that could not survive the competition before the tariffs.
Remember that the productivity to which they refer is the average productivity per worker, not the total production of our nation.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 5:21 am to Penrod
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This is because the most efficient productivity has already been selected by the free market.
until conditions change
Jesus fricking Christ
"absent in other changes" - Where the frick does that happen?
Posted on 4/5/26 at 5:25 am to Taxing Authority
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if tariffs were working we expect productivity to fall and employment increasing as a result of the added inefficiency
Close. We expect the effect of tariffs to push productivity in a lower direction, but observed productivity could easily be higher as this phenomenon is overwhelmed by others, such as automation.
BTW, if your dog gets limits I think he will breeze through the rest!
Posted on 4/5/26 at 5:38 am to CitizenK
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The American worker is one of the most productive in cost per widget in the world. It is not true that Chinese have a productive workforce. They do have an extremely active subsidy program..
It’s important to understand that the American worker is so productive not because he outworks others but because he works with great infrastructure (highways, ports, low priced electricity), amongst light regulations, within robust rule of law, and has excellent health infrastructure. These are among the things that drive productivity upward.
Your Australian example of repressive unions is a great example of excessive regulations driving down productivity.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 5:50 am to Powerman
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After one year of Trump 2.0 we have lost over 108,000 manufacturing jobs.
I generally like your posting on here, but I’m going to call this one out. Trump’s tariffs will eventually have a positive effect on manufacturing jobs, but that is a slow turning ship and it will take several years to be felt. The loss in manufacturing jobs is probably due to automation and other efficiency gains.
It is probably true that some manufacturers got negatively impacted by tariffs. There are American manufacturers that assemble foreign made parts, and there are American manufacturers that make parts for foreign assembly. All of these could be affected by tariffs, positively or negatively.
You, Powerman, do a good job of lancing tendentious posts, but you sometimes do so with tendentious posts of your own. This is one of those cases.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 5:52 am to RohanGonzales
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absent in other changes" - Where the frick does that happen?
You misquoted me, but to answer your question, it probably doesn’t. The point was to isolate the effect of tariffs. I showed, conclusively, that the effects of tariffs on productivity is negative.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 6:04 am to deltaland
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To gain wisdom and maturity one must be able to admit they were wrong a
I’ve had to eat shite many times in my life. I agree with your statement 100%
Posted on 4/5/26 at 6:52 am to Penrod
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It’s important to understand that the American worker is so productive not because he outworks others but because he works with great infrastructure (highways, ports, low priced electricity), amongst light regulations, within robust rule of law, and has excellent health infrastructure. These are among the things that drive productivity upward.
In any chemical plant or refinery which I have been in, the high school educated operators know as much or more about that process and chemistry than the engineers. It's usually their suggestions for process engineering changes which are implemented during major turnarounds to alter and optimize the process, not in all cases but in many. We encourage innovation more than the public actually notices, by a lot.
This post was edited on 4/5/26 at 6:54 am
Posted on 4/5/26 at 7:06 am to Penrod
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Trump’s tariffs will eventually have a positive effect on manufacturing jobs, but that is a slow turning ship and it will take several years to be felt. The loss in manufacturing jobs is probably due to automation and other efficiency gains.
Slow turning ship, indeed. Most other nations enact regulations and/or give out subsidies, to keep competition away from abroad or to capture global market share and even dominance. Sometimes companies want to lower international standards so that they can compete.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 7:10 am to CitizenK
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In any chemical plant or refinery which I have been in, the high school educated operators know as much or more about that process and chemistry than the engineers.
Your post is on point, but this is wrong. The operators have a certain useful level of knowledge, but they don’t even understand what they don’t know. I’m an electrical engineer who did detail engineering in process industries for almost 20 years (another 20 in management), often doing instrumentation and automation. I knew most of the processes better than the operators, yet I did not know them nearly as well as the ChemEs.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 7:20 am to Penrod
Alterations to process design is still performed by engineers. My point was more about operators pointing out where issues are located. and which could be improved, often with suggestions.
Process controls have certainly drastically increased productivity and quality. It seemed like almost all of the debottlenecking projects of the late 80s and early 90s were contracts to process control contractors. If I am not mistaken, 4 of the top 5 contractors in the nation, for that niche, were from the Baton Rouge area.
Process controls have certainly drastically increased productivity and quality. It seemed like almost all of the debottlenecking projects of the late 80s and early 90s were contracts to process control contractors. If I am not mistaken, 4 of the top 5 contractors in the nation, for that niche, were from the Baton Rouge area.
Posted on 4/5/26 at 7:25 am to CitizenK
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Alterations to process design is still performed by engineers. My point was more about operators pointing out where issues are located. and which could be improved, often with suggestions.
And I agree. I learned to have a lot of respect for operators. Similarly, when designing facilities I always tried to get the construction guys involved early. Their constructibility suggestions were money and schedule savers.
One of the biggest threats to project performance is design engineering arrogance.
This post was edited on 4/5/26 at 7:26 am
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