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re: U.S. Federal District Judge: Bans ICE from arresting illegals.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:06 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:06 pm to Pettifogger
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There may be some true believers who think millions of illegal immigrants need to be deported and we're just nonetheless obligated to navigate our mind numbing bureaucratic apparatus
This is where I stand. I would be outraged to be asked for my papers by a federal employee. And while I have cooperated with federal employees in the past, I have also been at odds with them before.
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What happened to this country is criminal - nay, treasonous.
I don't believe that. I set a VERY high bar for treason. And I am suspicious of those who play that card.
I am also suspicious of those who would claim that these immigrants are a net negative for our society without any CBA that doesn't include their contribution to GDP - as well as the cost to deport. All I've seen lined up against them is the costs for their health, education and 'entitlements'.
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Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:08 pm to Harry Boutte
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I would be outraged to be asked for my papers by a federal employee.
Why? People get asked for "their papers" daily... is it less outrageous to be asked for your papers when boarding a plane? Buying wine? Voting? Updating your license?
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:11 pm to Harry Boutte
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How is it done?
How is anyone’s identity verified? Think real hard.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:15 pm to Harry Boutte
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Do we trust the federal government with just "reasonable suspicion
We already do. That is the standard for any stop. Not just immigration stops.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:17 pm to SallysHuman
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Why? People get asked for "their papers" daily... is it less outrageous to be asked for your papers when boarding a plane? Buying wine? Voting? Updating your license?
Don't be obtuse, I'm talking about being asked for my papers for no other reason than how I look.
I remember a time when American conservatives would be appalled by the idea of just having their papers checked randomly. That's part of why they were vehemently against a national ID.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:17 pm to Harry Boutte
quote:The standard for detention is "Reason to Believe," not "Probable Cause." "Reason to Believe" threshold can be reached in a number of ways.
How is this determined, and under what circumstances?
E.g., The individual runs or actively tries to evade an ICE officer upon being approached or identified. The individual provides inconsistent or false information about identity, residence, travel history, refuses to provide a verifiable address, or if ICE has other evidence (previous court no-shows, cases, testimony, etc) suggesting the individual is here illegally.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:19 pm to Harry Boutte
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for no other reason than how I look.
That likely does not meet the reasonable suspicion standard.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:19 pm to NC_Tigah
Watching people suddenly up in arms over procedures we have been implementing and carrying out for decades. 
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:20 pm to Harry Boutte
quote:None of which is remotely relevant.
I am also suspicious of those who would claim that these immigrants are a net negative for our society without any CBA that doesn't include their contribution to GDP - as well as the cost to deport.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:20 pm to Harry Boutte
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I remember a time when American conservatives would be appalled by the idea of just having their papers checked randomly. That's part of why they were vehemently against a national ID.
Americans, you say?
I'd be happy to show my papers if it means fast tracking deportations.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:21 pm to BBONDS25
quote:It specifically does not
That likely does not meet the reasonable suspicion standard.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:23 pm to NC_Tigah
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It specifically does not
Yep. The entire argument is a straw man. And this judge’s ruling is clearly going to be overturned. She should face discipline it is such a clearly politically motivated ruling. She abandoned the judicial ethics she is sworn to abide by.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:25 pm to SallysHuman
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Isn't being here illegally all the warrant needed?
Literally a case of caught in the act.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:26 pm to BBONDS25
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How is anyone’s identity verified?
Why does my identity need to be 'verified' by the federal government? They'd better have a damned good reason for asking for my identification.
I worked closely with the federal government professionally. They will have you believe that their jurisdiction is everywhere at all times. I watched a lot of people knuckle under to that just because it made things easier. I didn't. I fought them whenever I felt they were exceeding their authority. They backed down every time. My annual reviews always had a line praising my methods of dealing with the feds.
Personally, I generally just don't care for them.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:26 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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Watching people suddenly up in arms over procedures we have been implementing and carrying out for decades.
It is amazing.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:28 pm to Stonehenge
dont you have a corner you need to cry in b/c kamala lost?
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:29 pm to BBONDS25
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likely does not
See, it's that squishy shite that isn't good enough for me. That's where the feds love to exceed their authority. If you don't call them on it, they'll keep pushing.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:30 pm to Harry Boutte
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Why does my identity need to be 'verified' by the federal government?
When there is a reasonable suspicion of a crime or being here illegally the government always verifies identity. It has been that way for decades. You’re only mad about it now because Trump is in charge.
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I worked closely with the federal government professionally. They will have you believe that their jurisdiction is everywhere at all times. I watched a lot of people knuckle under to that just because it made things easier. I didn't. I fought them whenever I felt they were exceeding their authority. They backed down every time. My annual reviews always had a line praising my methods of dealing with the feds. Personally, I generally just don't care for them.
None of that is relevant. Nor is the fact that I’ve represented immigrants in removal hearings. The only thing relevant to this OP is recognizing the judge made a politically motivated erroneous ruling. Will you admit that?
This post was edited on 4/30/25 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:30 pm to BCreed1
Article III branch has assumed it also runs the Article II branch.
Posted on 4/30/25 at 3:35 pm to 1801
The retard in the back with the bedazzled mask. Clowns. All.
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