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re: U.S. & Israel Increase Air Strikes Across Syria…

Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:10 am to
Posted by Seldom Seen
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:10 am to
Posted by sumtimeitbeslikedat
Vidalia, La
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:22 am to
I probably have an unpopular opinion on this. But trying to think this through, I believe:

A). ISIS and Al Qaida, as well as other radicalized Muslim terrorist organizations have no business being in control anywhere in the ME. They’ve shown their murderous intentions repeatedly. We should oppose them wherever they raise their demonic faces - with force. We either fight them there, or we’ll fight them here in our own streets. That’s a proven fact. As a result, I’m not surprised we’re bombing them in Syria, and Israel is taking advantage of the opportunity to further secure its own borders.

B). There are many warmongers in our govt and corporate sphere that only see this as an opportunity for enrichment and a money grab. As a result, they will do whatever they have to to extend any conflict, sacrificing flesh and tax dollars to keep their coffers full. These people are just as bad in principle as the enemy. They should be rooted out and dealt with as traitors.

C). The US should NOT be the world’s bouncers. Our military has become a crutch to allow evil actors on the “side of good” to instigate, intimidate, and enrich themselves at the expense of the taxpayers and other nations. This has created harsh resentment towards the US govt here and abroad. However, we also MUST address issues abroad as they relate to national security and alliances. This leads us to the MOST IMPORTANT thing:

D). We, as US voters, MUST get our heads out of our collective butts! We have the duty and responsibility to elect the right leaders to office. We let our votes be swayed by “emotion” and “culture” instead of being grounded in good, solid, moral principle. So many of us buy into the latest words of power hungry snakes who will lie through their teeth to get power, instead of using our brains and eyes to research and vote on record. Then we want to spit and sneer when the snakes we elect destroy our country, our relationships with foreign entities, embezzle our tax dollars, start useless wars to enrich themselves, and destroy the good reputation and security our fathers have shed their blood to build. AND all the while these snakes put MORE people just like them in our courts, justice system, ambassadorships, corporation CEO’s, military and defense, etc…

So, when it all comes down to it, the onus is on “We the People” and our vote. You don’t put a snake in the hen house and expect him to not eat your eggs. We need to take our civic duties way more seriously than we do. We are seeing the results when we fail to do that.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:30 am to
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Link the documents, please.


I gave you the crumb. You can find it if you know how to use search engines other than google.
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
15108 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:45 am to
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especially when US planes are assisting Israel in bombing the remaining military assets around the country.


they're bombing Assad's weapons depots, just as Israel had been doing in Lebanon.

Syria has been engulfed in a civil war for 13 years, and there were at least 3 rivaling factions. It wasn't some peaceful nation that the US and Israel just decided to invade one day at the request of the MIC, CIA and AIPAC.

Israel's interest in Syria is simple and logical. Assad's Syria was the conduit for Iran to funnel weapons to Hezbollah and Hamas. That's their immediate threat, and they'll take anything over that, even at the risk of the unknown.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:49 am to
I’m concerned that Syria is going to be a problem for the foreseeable future if it’s run by people with sympathies toward terrorists/insurgents.

I’m not saying that I want us to take action there at this point, I just think that future issues may arise from there if it becomes a hotbed for terrorism and the growth of terrorist organizations.
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
15108 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:52 am to
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I’m not saying that I want us to take action there at this point, I just think that future issues may arise from there if it becomes a hotbed for terrorism and the growth of terrorist organizations.


which is why bombing the weapons depots and Israel fortifying their border is fine.

also, for anyone that wanted Assad to remain in power, how were we supposed to achieve that?
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68374 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:53 am to
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also, for anyone that wanted Assad to remain in power, how were we supposed to achieve that?

Maybe not meddle there and make every attempt to destabilize the country for ten years?
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
15108 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:59 am to
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Maybe not meddle there and make every attempt to destabilize the country for ten years?


ahhh OK, so you're totally ignoring the fact that Iran, Russia, Turkey and Israel had interests in Syria in addition to the civil war that was occurring.

but we were the destabilizing force?
Posted by sta4ever
Member since Aug 2014
17663 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:59 am to
So many of y’all don’t have a damn clue about anything with this conflict.

The HTS rebels who just toppled the Al Assad regime are backed by Turkey. They come from the NW parts of Syria. They claim they have no ties to Jihadism, but only time will tell. This offensive from the HTS was definitely pushed by Erdogan and Turkey though. Turkey has been getting stronger under Erdogan, and if anyone pays any attention to what Erdogan has said over the years, he seems to be kind of imperialistic in a way. An opportunity arose for Turkey to take some land, and they honestly executed it pretty well. Caught everyone off guard and it was done rather quickly.

Of course Israel will do the same of carving out some land for themselves, especially since they’re in a war against Jihadists. Take the Golan Heights, and Israel has all the leverage in the world against anything that goes on in Syria. I feel like Turkey and Israel could be headed for a conflict with each other in the near future though. Kind of like the US/USSR the last years of WWII. They were taking as much as they could, knowing they would eventually meet and be in conflict with each other. Turkey is trying to be the new leader of the Muslim world.

Israel has been destroying every piece of military equipment left by the Al Assad regime, to try and prevent the wrong people from getting a hold of these weapons. The US will obviously support them in destroying weapons. These airstrikes aren’t being done to help the rebels and there was no push or backing from the US to do what’s happened the last several weeks.
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
15108 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:04 am to
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So many of y’all don’t have a damn clue about anything with this conflict.



it's just easier to blame the following: Obama, cia, deep state, MIC, Israel, Mossad, AIPAC.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68374 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:17 am to
This goes both ways and seems to be the new SFP take. The U.S. is so innocent. Everyone else is meddling and the U.S. is a passive actor with 1,000 troops there.

quote:

U.S. troops "have been there now for the better part of a decade or more to fight ISIS... we are still committed to that mission."

Asked directly whether U.S. troops are staying, Finer said, "Yes."

Islamic State in 2014 swept through large swaths of Syria and Iraq and established an Islamic caliphate before it was driven out by a U.S.-led coalition by 2019.

LINK
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
15108 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:28 am to
Wait ... Are we fighting ISIS or supporting them?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:28 am to
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I gave you the crumb.

Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68374 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:29 am to
Brother, I don't even know.
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
15108 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:32 am to
The quote you posted said we were there fighting ISIS, you say we supported ISIS in their overtaking of syria.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
16880 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:33 am to
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am waiting on the state dept to back the Al-Qaeda man
should go nicely with the videos of militants from HTS shooting unarmed civilians today.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68374 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:36 am to
For real, none of it makes any sense to me. My guess is we have been there to frick with Assad (and the fight ISIS/Al Qaeda part is a ruse), but whatever.
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This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 10:40 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:37 am to
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The U.S. is so innocent.

I never said the US is innocent, just that the impact on certain acts/decisions has to have a date of ending. We can't reference the fricking CIA helping the mujahideen in Afghanistan in the 80s as creating this conflict today, which is what some people ITT were trying to do

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U.S. troops "have been there now for the better part of a decade or more to fight ISIS... we are still committed to that mission."


This is probably very small groups like Delta targeting very specific ISIS targets. Is that meddling? Sure. Is that somehow related to this toppling of the Assad government? No.

Russia and Iran were also there fighting ISIS to protect Assad for that decade. Turkey and Israel also have had interests in the conflict. This pretending that just because we have a small presence there means we are the bad guys/cause is just anti-Americanism when there is no real proof and lots of proof it's due to the other 4 major actors in the country.

This is the same loose logical/factual association that creates the muh CIA stuff. It's the fallacy of expanding a scenario based only on a kernel of truth tangentially related to the scenario
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
48737 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:42 am to
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:42 am to
Israel will save them.
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