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re: U.S. & Israel Increase Air Strikes Across Syria…

Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:10 am to
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:10 am to
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The US wasn't really involved, despite all the muh CIA theorizing.


Don't worry we are about to get super mad at bunch of muzzies we supply weapons to and they use them attack Israel and in retaliation we cheer Israel on. Rinse and repeat.

An analogy would be like Hamas in Gaza is a canned hunt for Israel and they are setting up their next wild game canned hunting ground north of them in Syria. Israel shoots the guns and we supply the weapons for the hunt.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:11 am to
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acting like we didn't do anything in Ukraine

I never said we didn't do anything in Ukraine.

I said we didn't cause the Maidan and that wasn't some CIA operation. And, Zelensky has nothing to do with whatever we did do after Maidan caused instability and gave us an opening to ensure no more Russian puppets.

Russia directly interfered with one of our closest allies. It's not a neo con strategy to think that the EU and US would try to stop them from doing that again.

And this Syria situation is one of the perfect examples of muh CIA. You can't pick out anything specific with the conflict at hand, but reference actions that allegedly happened in the past where the CIA was involved. At some point, you have to analyze each situation on its own or we end up making Leftist arguments about muh colonialism ultimately.
Posted by Paddyshack
Land of the Free
Member since Sep 2015
11063 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:11 am to
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Be sick then.

Tell me why you like our taxpayer dollars starting wars on the other side of the globe, to enrich people in the MIC, insert our DEI ideologies into other countries, shed the blood of innocent civilians, and pretend we are on a moral crusade?
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:12 am to
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Is the goal to basically destabilize every other country in the middle east?


That's what it looks like. It they are fighting amongst themselves they are not fighting us.

The more micro goal is for individuals in the Likud Party and MIC contractors in the US to make money off of war.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
22061 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:14 am to
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Is the goal to basically destabilize every other country in the middle east?


Has been for many hundreds of years.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
22061 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:16 am to
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That's what it looks like. It they are fighting amongst themselves they are not fighting us.

The more micro goal is for individuals in the Likud Party and MIC contractors in the US to make money off of war.


The instability also makes it much easier to radicalize groups and create terror networks. These in turn can be used to strip Americans of their rights. It has always been a multi-faceted operation with many different goals but they always center on a few things:
1) enrich the MIC and the groups that control countries
2) make civilians live in fear so they give up rights and ask for more govt protection
3) the deaths serve as sacrifice to their satanic god to give them more power
Posted by OGtigerfan87
North La
Member since Feb 2019
3948 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:25 am to
Lol sure thing tin foil is 50% off at dollar general by the way.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
22061 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:30 am to
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Lol sure thing tin foil is 50% off at dollar general by the way.


So what is your reasoning for justifying the USA creating AQ, ISIS and other groups?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:30 am to
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the USA creating AQ, ISIS and other groups


Did we create them, or did we train groups who splintered and spun into these new groups?

There's a huge distinction involved in the two.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68374 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:32 am to
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And this Syria situation is one of the perfect examples of muh CIA. You can't pick out anything specific with the conflict at hand, but reference actions that allegedly happened in the past where the CIA was involved.

I mean, I guess it's not a CIA op if our military is there to weaken a regime.
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Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:33 am to
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The US is illegally occupying one-third of Syria, stealing its oil and wheat,


Do we have a legitimate LINK on this?

Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
22061 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:47 am to
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Did we create them, or did we train groups who splintered and spun into these new groups?


We literally created AQ. It wasn't just training. We gave them money. We gave them weapons. We gave them training. The CIA directed their actions. That has been public info for decades. As for ISIS, there are declassified documents where the DIA specifically said we should create ISIS due to conditions within the middle east.
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 8:48 am
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68374 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:49 am to
It's a good question. I respect Aaron as a journalist almost as much as anyone. But, I have only seen that assertion from him. I am just posting this for future reference.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:50 am to
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We literally created AQ.


Are you discussing the mujahideen (which is not AQ) or something else?

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We gave them money. We gave them weapons. We gave them training.

We gave AQ this or the mujahideen?

If you pick the latter, you're literally making my argument for me.

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DIA specifically said we should create ISIS due to conditions within the middle east.

Link the documents, please.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98033 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:51 am to
Like they also didnt create this new group HTP5 or whatever

Slowflow is wrong yet again
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:55 am to
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. But, I have only seen that assertion from him


I am predicting (and could be proven wrong) that it's the same transference that I'm describing with muh CIA.

I'm guessing it's controlled by some spinoff group that had some brief training, arming, or association with the CIA or a group directly connected with the CIA. Sometimes there are multiple degrees of association involved.

This same shite happens commonly with your generic paranormal CTs. UFOs, occult, MIBs, etc. There the typical boogeyman is related to MKUltra, which in reality was a largely failed program that never accomplished much. But the fact that it's associated with "the CIA" means you can spin so much around it. You get into a lot of "the lack of evidence IS evidence" arguments as well.
Posted by TigerB8
End Communism
Member since Oct 2003
11079 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:55 am to
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This was Turkey's operation.


Source?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
476637 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:56 am to
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Like they also didnt create this new group


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Slowflow is wrong yet again


That entirely depends on how you define "create" in this sentence, like with all muh CIA theories.
Posted by TigerB8
End Communism
Member since Oct 2003
11079 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:57 am to
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How did we do this?


Well, no direct evidence of CIA involvement. However, to say they had nothing to do with this is naive, especially when US planes are assisting Israel in bombing the remaining military assets around the country.
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
20097 posts
Posted on 12/11/24 at 8:59 am to
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The US is illegally occupying one-third of Syria, stealing its oil and wheat, while meanwhile imposing murderous sanctions that block reconstruction and basic goods.



The United States stealing food, heres a first.
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