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Posted on 8/8/23 at 9:50 pm to cwill
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How does that sound like me not liking free markets?
So you won’t have a problem when UPS follows the FedEx model and farms out their routes to contractors?
Posted on 8/8/23 at 9:52 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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Ultimately UPS will contract out their routes just like FedEx. When that happens those Union jobs go bye bye…
Yes. That's exactly what happened to the Continental Airlines ground staff. They were already the highest paid in the industry and decided to unionize to try and extort even more money. They got outsourced in short order. Greed rarely ends well.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 9:54 pm to Dex Morgan
I wonder why FDX has beat the shite out of UPS since this whole thing started?
Posted on 8/8/23 at 9:57 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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So you won’t have a problem when UPS follows the FedEx model and farms out their routes to contractors?
UPS can do as it likes. I'm just noting this response to workers, the salt of the earth that you maga types champion, fighting for and winning better wages, is very often a frick them and gleefully noting that they are gonna get fricked by robots or outsourcing. Do you have a problem with american wage workers in a free market fighting for better wages?
Posted on 8/8/23 at 9:59 pm to cwill
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Do you have a problem with american wage workers in a free market fighting for better wages?
Nope. I also don’t have a problem with the market responding by contracting out that labor. Obviously that’s a problem for you, or you wouldn’t have responded to my prediction that it will be the next logical step.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 10:01 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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Obviously that’s a problem for you,
How so, based on my prior post?
Posted on 8/8/23 at 10:09 pm to cwill
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How so, based on my prior post?
If you didn’t have a problem with it, you wouldn’t have bothered to respond.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 10:15 pm to thebigmuffaletta
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If you didn’t have a problem with it, you wouldn’t have bothered to respond.
It's as if you completely ignored this prior post:
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UPS can do as it likes. I'm just noting this response to workers, the salt of the earth that you maga types champion, fighting for and winning better wages, is very often a frick them and gleefully noting that they are gonna get fricked by robots or outsourcing. Do you have a problem with american wage workers in a free market fighting for better wages?
I like how you downvote posts like a little HS bitch, too.
This post was edited on 8/8/23 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 8/8/23 at 10:32 pm to Timeoday
Do you know what “high 6 figures” means? That’s around $900,000 in a year.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 10:39 pm to dafif
The unions have an obligation to fund the DNC. That money has to come from somewhere. Higher union money laundering=higher DNC donations.
Posted on 8/8/23 at 11:22 pm to Jon Ham
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When you factor in: 1) the potential for injuries via car accidents and lifting/dropping heavy items 2) the wear and tear on your body over many years 3) having to drive and walk around in unsafe areas The pay should be good.
You’re an idiot.
I have several degrees, can outrun, outlift, out drive and out think most UPS drivers.
This is why the car industry failed and this is why it’s gonna cost $90 to mail that snow globe or fruitcake to your grandma from 3 hours away.
I can guarantee you know absolutely jack shite about running a business.
This is how you bankrupt a business.
I’d sell that motherfricker to FedEx. Or fire everybody and start over.
What’s the median salary in the US?
According to the census median household income in 2021 was ~71k.
frick off. It’s a truck driver position. And they are home everyday
No offense truck drivers
Posted on 8/8/23 at 11:37 pm to JohnZeroQ
quote:Not sure what time they punch in but I see my UPS guy still driving at 7pm sometimes so they must do some serious overtime too.
Some drivers make over 120$K and they kill themselves for it or have no home life.
This post was edited on 8/8/23 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 8/8/23 at 11:44 pm to Timeoday
Ships built like this have a 50/50 chance of top-siding.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 1:47 am to TDTOM
Why? Are they making more than you?
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Posted on 8/9/23 at 4:19 am to cwill
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cwill
You do not actually care. You just come running when you think you can make conservatives look bad. You are more tiresome than anything.
If drivers are really getting "high 6 figures" that will frick up the company's competitiveness.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 5:14 am to Timeoday
The whole piece comes off as odd.
Fortune says the $98K jumps to $170K "with benefits" included. By the same criterion, Fortune says UPS drivers' previous pay was $149K, and oddly categorizes the jump to $170K to constitute "salary in the high six figures."
Working Link (paywall)
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I didn't get the author's effort to try in Biden and overstate the Teamster 'win' until I looked at her past columns. Surprise! She's a put-upon 20-something socialist with a serious case of salary envy.
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UPS makes great deal for drivers - high 6 figures
quote:$49/hr (assuming 40hrs/wk and 2wks vacation) equals $98K annually, which is high 5-figures, not six.
Wage increases for full-timers will keep UPS Teamsters the highest paid delivery drivers in the nation, improving their average top rate to $49 per hour.
LINK
Fortune says the $98K jumps to $170K "with benefits" included. By the same criterion, Fortune says UPS drivers' previous pay was $149K, and oddly categorizes the jump to $170K to constitute "salary in the high six figures."
Working Link (paywall)
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I didn't get the author's effort to try in Biden and overstate the Teamster 'win' until I looked at her past columns. Surprise! She's a put-upon 20-something socialist with a serious case of salary envy.
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This post was edited on 8/9/23 at 5:58 am
Posted on 8/9/23 at 5:33 am to cwill
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It's as if you completely ignored this prior post:
So your response to someone pointing out that the next logical step for UPS is to follow the FedEx independent contractor model is to babble something about MAGA?
If you truly believed that UPS can do whatever they want in a free market then you’d have never responded with that in the first place.
Posted on 8/9/23 at 6:11 am to JohnZeroQ
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UPS already had the highest rates. People still prefer UPS service over competitors.
I am not sure I can tell the difference between UPS/Fed Ex/DHL but, I know that UPS is in all those post office stores so ease of use applies.
In the last few office buildings I have been in, there are fed ex boxes and not UPS. Who knows. If they raise rates, pretty sure the others will as well. Like the gas stations across the street. How does this help the average person? Raised rates?
Posted on 8/9/23 at 6:16 am to cwill
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I'm just noting this response to workers, the salt of the earth that you maga types champion, fighting for and winning better wages,
Sometimes I wonder if you are as stupid as what you post?
I suppose you champion the $15/hr for working at mcdonalds? $15/hr for waitress?
As I posted above, you do not see the impact of EVERY AMERICAN when one sector raises their pay to levels far above the other parts of their sector. What do you think long haul truck drivers make? Do you want to give them a huge raise (they certainly work as hard as UPS drivers. What happens when freight rates balloon to pay these drivers that much more?
You appear to be typical in your responses.
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