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Posted on 1/4/20 at 5:33 am to RollTide1987
I’m in the process of trying to find a new church. I was raised Episcopalian but the constant pandering and celebration of homosexuality has worn me thin.
I’m all for gays going to church and hold no ill will however I will NOT celebrate it.
There is no Anglican Church near me and my wife wants a church that has a bunch of kids. We have recently found a Methodist church that we enjoy.
Can someone explain what is going on? Am I about to deal with the same shite all over again?
I’m all for gays going to church and hold no ill will however I will NOT celebrate it.
There is no Anglican Church near me and my wife wants a church that has a bunch of kids. We have recently found a Methodist church that we enjoy.
Can someone explain what is going on? Am I about to deal with the same shite all over again?
This post was edited on 1/4/20 at 5:34 am
Posted on 1/4/20 at 5:43 am to Eli Goldfinger
The church of denominations is falling. Localized churches run by local people is the future.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:17 am to Bestbank Tiger
He is right.
A divorced person no matter the reason made an oath before god to be faithful through good and bad.
Homosexuality is clearly said to be outside of Gods plan, an abomination, not a normal or healthy relationship.
Divorce because of adultry or abuse or abandonment is ok. No sin in involved. However your oath still stands and remarrying is a violation of that oath. A sin.
Remarrying would be living in sin and should not be celebrated in a church ceremony. You and your bride can get married before a judge and should be welcome in church services anytime, but you can't serve as any form of clergy or spiritual leadership because of your active sin lifestyle without the approval of the local congregation and with limits. You cannot subvert the teachings of the church to justify your actions. Same goes for homosexuals.
If you are pursuing a relationship with Christ, the only reason we go to Church, then your sin will be a burden. You will recognize and accept that what you are doing is sin. You may not know how to stop. It may be an impossible situation for you. You may have to chose between the person you love and living righteously. Most people can't make that choice. That is ok. That is a universal ailment. No one can choose to be sinless.
What Christ requires is that you realize this and lay it all at his feet. His forgiveness matters. His grace is sufficient for all of the sins of everyone that believes in Him.
Salvation from our sin is the first step. We all go through the rest of our lives, little by little leaving sin behind us piece by piece, but never completely, until we see him face to face and are gloriously made new.
A divorced person no matter the reason made an oath before god to be faithful through good and bad.
Homosexuality is clearly said to be outside of Gods plan, an abomination, not a normal or healthy relationship.
Divorce because of adultry or abuse or abandonment is ok. No sin in involved. However your oath still stands and remarrying is a violation of that oath. A sin.
Remarrying would be living in sin and should not be celebrated in a church ceremony. You and your bride can get married before a judge and should be welcome in church services anytime, but you can't serve as any form of clergy or spiritual leadership because of your active sin lifestyle without the approval of the local congregation and with limits. You cannot subvert the teachings of the church to justify your actions. Same goes for homosexuals.
If you are pursuing a relationship with Christ, the only reason we go to Church, then your sin will be a burden. You will recognize and accept that what you are doing is sin. You may not know how to stop. It may be an impossible situation for you. You may have to chose between the person you love and living righteously. Most people can't make that choice. That is ok. That is a universal ailment. No one can choose to be sinless.
What Christ requires is that you realize this and lay it all at his feet. His forgiveness matters. His grace is sufficient for all of the sins of everyone that believes in Him.
Salvation from our sin is the first step. We all go through the rest of our lives, little by little leaving sin behind us piece by piece, but never completely, until we see him face to face and are gloriously made new.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:36 am to tilco
quote:I don't know what size city/town you live in but if there are several Methodist Churches in your area, interview the Pastor and ask him/her whether or not he/she belongs to the Wesleyan Covenant Association and specifically, do they support the Indianapolis Plan. The only way this can work is the factions separate into 3 or more "denominations" and move on from here. Too much water has gone under the bridge to co-exist as one denomination any longer.
Can someone explain what is going on? Am I about to deal with the same shite all over again?
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:38 am to DocSavage
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This post was edited on 10/26/20 at 11:06 am
Posted on 1/4/20 at 8:58 am to Hou_Lawyer
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What a joke. I was raised baptist and don’t remember any of this being an issue and I’m pretty sure they’re right leaning of most denominations.
You must have not read the Bible. You can only get a divorce because she cheated on you or you’ll go to Hell.
ETA: calling the Bible a joke probably won’t sit well either
This post was edited on 1/4/20 at 9:03 am
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:09 am to tilco
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Can someone explain what is going on? Am I about to deal with the same shite all over again?
I, too, left the Episcopal church.
Yes...this is the exact same thing.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:09 am to Hou_Lawyer
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A women gets serially abused from her husband. Divorces. Now she can’t remarry without being “in sin” perpetually as the Church sees it?!
What a joke. I was raised baptist and don’t remember any of this being an issue and I’m pretty sure they’re right leaning of most denominations.
That's because that's pure nonsense.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:10 am to Esquire
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You must have not read the Bible. You can only get a divorce because she cheated on you or you’ll go to Hell.
ETA: calling the Bible a joke probably won’t sit well either
This is also pure nonsense. There is no unforgivable sin.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:10 am to baobabtiger
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The church of denominations is falling. Localized churches run by local people is the future.
I believe you’re right.
Harder for leftists to infiltrate and subdue.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:12 am to Hou_Lawyer
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A women gets serially abused from her husband. Divorces. Now she can’t remarry without being “in sin” perpetually as the Church sees it?!
No.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:17 am to imjustafatkid
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This is also pure nonsense. There is no unforgivable sin.
Getting divorced and remarried other than the reason of unchastity is living in perpetual sin just like the British cigarettes. You can’t just say sorry and keep doing it.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:23 am to texashorn
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The congregation in my small East Texas hometown is led by a black man married to a white woman.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:23 am to jlntiger
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How do you find out how the church you attend voted . My wife is a Methodist , I am not but we just tithed to a particular church (last time for that ). I would like to see how they voted .
You can always ask your pastor. I know how our delegation was instructed to vote - with the Word.
Back in the spring around the time of the vote, there was a poll on the home page of the UMC website that showed 2/3 of clergy were FOR gay marriage and gay clergy in the UMC.
That same poll showed close to 3/4 of the membership was AGAINST. The poll was conducted by a reputable firm, but I don't remember which one.
This is NOT a membership driven movement. It is a power grab by clergy who believe that all churches should recognize and celebrate homosexual relations.
My answer to them is go to one of the dozens of other denominations that are already doing that heretical stuff and leave us alone. They are pushing THEIR agenda, not God's. Woe to them who lead their sheep to the cliff of despair. Woe also to the sheep who do not recognize that their shepherd is actually a wolf.
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:25 am to imjustafatkid
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There is no unforgivable sin.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirt
Matthew 12:32
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:30 am to tilco
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Can someone explain what is going on? Am I about to deal with the same shite all over again?
Your “church” is about to turn into a dnc pac
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:32 am to Esquire
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Getting divorced and remarried other than the reason of unchastity is living in perpetual sin just like the British cigarettes. You can’t just say sorry and keep doing it.
What does the Bible say about annulment
Posted on 1/4/20 at 9:37 am to troyt37
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Not a scholar, but what is this, then?
Deuteronomy 24:1
When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.
"He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.”
Matthew 19:8,9
I think Jesus trumps Moses and the Law.
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