re: United Methodist Church Announces Plan to Split Over Same-Sex Marriage

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There are a lot of theological discussions on the gay issue that are beyond my scope (ex: how accurately was the Bible translated), but we have a church that openly accepts divorced people and divorced clergy, so I don’t know how we exclude gay people.

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It's a problem of living unrepentantly in sin.

Someone who has gotten a divorce for reasons other than Biblical reasons can repent of their sin and strive to do better even if they cannot reconcile the marriage they've ended. Even if you reject all of that, the Christian Church does not celebrate divorce and I've never met a pastor who would counsel someone toward divorce.

The similar situation for a gay person is to repent of their homosexual ways and strive to do better, which means end what they're doing. To celebrate gay marriage is the antithesis of a Christian way to handle this. Pastors marrying gay couples are committing sin by celebrating sin.

You are comparing two situations that aren't even close to similar.

ETA: I misspelled counsel.

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I'm a pro gay, pro divorce, pro female reverends, pro doing shite on Sunday, pro alcohol, pro cussing.

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Good for you. Have you read?


For I know you by your works.

Revelation, Chapter 2.

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And that is why I don’t attend an organized church. I read my bible weekly. I pray daily. I try to keep the commandments. I give to charity and help the needy. But I don’t need someone to stand on stage and tell me how I am supposed to act. It’s all right there in the Bible (and in my upbringing).

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When was the last time you took communion? When Jesus asks you why you decided that was optional, what are you going to tell him?

It is not necessary to "take communion" or "give confession" to a priest.


Please point to the verse in which such things are required for paradise.

Alternate headline: post-Protestant heretics continue forming own civic religion of virtue signaling and moralistic therapeutic deism.

Pretermitting the discussion of whether homosexuality is a sin (and the concomitant question of what sin is), how could one possibly read the Bible and glean from it that including homosexuals in the covenant of marriage is a part of Judeo-Christianity?

Civil unions and "marriages" may very well have their place in civic society and in other religions and faiths, regardless of gender, sex, proclivities, etc.

But what gymnastics does one have to perform to turn the tripartite covenant from the Old Testament, continued on and elucidated brightly in the New Testament, into two men or two women being joined into the procreative covenant with God. From what "first principles" are these people drawing to get to this new orthodoxy?

If you want to start your own syncretistic religion, then go for it. But this BS ain't Christianity, and it sure as hell ain't Methodist (for whatever that may have ever been worth).

This is just more gnostic disease and the redefining of reality and the symbols we use to communicate about it, to further distorted vision of an immanentized eschaton.

For shame.

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Please point to the verse in which such things are required for paradise.

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Who said anything about paradise? But if you want to bring that into the discussion, John 6.

Primarily at this point it is just a question of obedience or disobedience. But is that going to be your answer? “Yeah, Jesus, I know you said to do this in memory of me, but it wasn’t part of the Romans Road so we decided to skip it.”

Good luck with that.

And as far as confession goes, you don’t confess to a priest.

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Think accountability partner if you want to put it in evangelical terms in a very loose way.

I hear what u are saying and agree with the premise that you dont need someone telling you how to act and that you dont need to attend church to be saved.

I would just suggest that believers stick together and support each other somehow. It helps others by your example. If that is in church so be it. Maybe it is outside of church somehow. All I know is that there is value in community. Maybe you dont need it. Or maybe not right now. Others might.

I am not your enemy.

I am stating the truth. You may talk to the Lord without intercession.

You are saved by grace, not bread. This isn't a mic drop.

Seriously please tell me where in our Holy Bible requires the sacrament of eucharist for paradise?

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2 Timothy 4:3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

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Chills.

I need to find out where my Methodist church stands on this issue. If it is with the new liberal wave that has infested the UMC, I’ll have to find a new church home.

No problem with gay people but I hate that my leaders of the UMC are forcing gay lifestyles on me.

I read the WSJ article - sounds like the liberal UMC keeps the UMC name and us “traditionalist” have to form a new denomination.

What a sad day for Methodist but it has been brewing for some time.