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re: Ukraine Military Aid

Posted on 11/23/22 at 12:50 pm to
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 12:50 pm to
Hank: How much have we spent?

Bourre: Some libertarian you are, scumbag



You are a strange individual.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
28719 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 12:55 pm to
quote:

Lots of limp-wrist leftist pussies pushing to send other people’s kids to die in a foreign land in this thread.


That’s a really weird thing to say. I fully support providing assistance to Ukraine so they can defend their homeland against Russian invaders. All red-blooded freedom-loving Americans should support it. This is the way.
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
20195 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 12:56 pm to
quote:

You are a strange individual.


You are a mentally damaged groomer, who supports pedophilia. If my principles are strange to you, I’m fine with that
Posted by Goonie02
Member since Dec 2019
2485 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:01 pm to
quote:

Lots of limp-wrist leftist pussies pushing to send other people’s kids to die in a foreign land in this thread. I bet most, if not all, of you pussies have never worn the uniform and put your life on the line to defend your country.

Especially PedoHank, you fricking disgusting pedophile. Some libertarian you are, scumbag

this is the most accurate statement in this thread.
Posted by Goonie02
Member since Dec 2019
2485 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:03 pm to
quote:

That’s a really weird thing to say. I fully support providing assistance to Ukraine so they can defend their homeland against Russian invaders. All red-blooded freedom-loving Americans should support it. This is the way.

what a load of tripe. just stop trying to pretend freedom loving Americans are all in on Ukraine. frick off with that nonsense you commie pedo.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
35923 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:34 pm to
quote:

That’s a really weird thing to say. I fully support providing assistance to Ukraine so they can defend their homeland against Russian invaders. All red-blooded freedom-loving Americans should support it. This is the way.


While I support the US helping Ukraine, I can accept it that some believe we shouldn’t get involved, or that we shouldn’t spend so much money.

Throughout history the US has seen good people debate our position in the world as to whether we should isolate ourselves or we should be active in providing for our security interests.

I think you could be a patriot either way. It’s not a one way street.
This post was edited on 11/23/22 at 1:47 pm
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112553 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 1:48 pm to
We need to advance muh hegemony so we can promote globohomo across the world
Posted by Gifman
by the mountains
Member since Jan 2021
9240 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 2:38 pm to
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AggieHank86


This isn’t a proxy war. It’s a money laundering operation. Also, you’re a creep and a dumbass.
Posted by Chief One Word
Eastern Washington State
Member since Mar 2018
3686 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 2:42 pm to
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We’re helping Ukraine set the Red Army back for a while.

What did the Red Army do to us?
Posted by epbart
new york city
Member since Mar 2005
2926 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 3:02 pm to
quote:

While I support the US helping Ukraine, I can accept it that some believe we shouldn’t get involved, or that we shouldn’t spend so much money.

Throughout history the US has seen good people debate our position in the world as to whether we should isolate ourselves or we should be active in providing for our security interests.

I think you could be a patriot either way. It’s not a one way street.



I don't think anyone with the slightest capacity for critical thought seriously argues that Russia is a good guy. But beyond that veneer of a thought, it gets muddy quickly, and much of the current blind support for Ukraine (as mockingly evidenced in Decatur's asinine reply) is propaganda driven. You don't have to dig far to see the the military industrial complex, neocons and other leftist globo interests taking advantage of the situation... almost as if they planned it. And that is legitimate cause to challenge the narrative and demand accountability.

To that end, I recommend watching the linked, 20-ish minute interview of Jeffrey Sachs on Democracy Now from a couple of months ago. To be clear, I don't like Sachs and I disagree with his statements around the 10-11 minute mark that we shouldn't view China as an enemy. That aside, he was highly involved with the UN and advising the White House on geopolitical matters going back to at least Bush Sr's presidency. And his thoughts on what he observed make him a relevant witness to why things have played out as they have. Anyone-- left or right-- who questions our involvement there will appreciate his insights in this matter. I'm surprised Democracy Now actually aired this. Then again, Sachs reserves his criticism for neocons vs Democrats and current leadership-- using the word loosely-- isn't criticized.

Youtube




Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34046 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 3:03 pm to
You should go to Ukraine with your trannie boyfriend.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34046 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 3:05 pm to
quote:

All red-blooded freedom-loving Americans should support it.


Which branch of the US military did you serve in?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
35923 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 3:32 pm to
quote:

I don't think anyone with the slightest capacity for critical thought seriously argues that Russia is a good guy


You need to read more.

quote:

But beyond that veneer of a thought, it gets muddy quickly, and much of the current blind support for Ukraine (as mockingly evidenced in Decatur's asinine reply) is propaganda driven.


I agree, blind support needs to be balanced by devil’s advocates, things need to bd discussed rational, and opinions formed. That process should be ongoing and not static and there should be accountability.

quote:

You don't have to dig far to see the the military industrial complex, neocons and other leftist globo interests taking advantage of the situation... almost as if they planned it. And that is legitimate cause to challenge the narrative and demand accountability.


There’s always a danger of special interests gaming the system for their benefit and not for our national security. Challenging the narrative and the policy is our right and it should be exercised whenever we so choose; however, be wary. Like the boy that cried wolf when there was no wolf to be found, those that see a wolf behind every event become irrelevant too.

quote:

To that end, I recommend watching the linked, 20-ish minute interview of Jeffrey Sachs on Democracy Now from a couple of months ago

I don’t read enough or watch enough either. I will try and watch it after work, thanks.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 3:35 pm to
quote:

You are a strange individual.


And your name will forever be associated with pedophilia.

I'm not sure you're in a position to pass judgement on anyone.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 3:37 pm to
Real Libertarians don't support this shite.

You are a RINO.
Posted by UncleFestersLegs
Member since Nov 2010
10809 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

What did the Red Army do to us?
beat us to Berlin?
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
35923 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 3:55 pm to
quote:

quote:What did the Red Army do to us?beat us to Berlin?


Aided and abetted our enemies who were killing our boys.

Payback is a bitch you know.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
28719 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 4:00 pm to
quote:

Throughout history the US has seen good people debate our position in the world as to whether we should isolate ourselves or we should be active in providing for our security interests.


Good people can have a poor understanding of national interests. They can still have bad takes.
Posted by Goonie02
Member since Dec 2019
2485 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 5:51 pm to
quote:

Good people can have a poor understanding of national interests.

what national interests does America have in Ukraine? enlighten the masses frickface.
Posted by GeauxGutsy
Member since Jul 2017
4712 posts
Posted on 11/23/22 at 7:33 pm to
quote:

Can anyone link to a story which examines the sums of actual military aid which we have sent to Ukraine?


Are you not capable of doing your own research?
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