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Posted on 10/22/22 at 9:49 am to mulletproof
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It was the "gimbal" video that flies the way Lazar described.
Yes, and it was the heat signature exhaust from a jet in the distance on infrared that was filmed--not a film of the tick-tac encounter that happened prior. The 'gravity defying maneuver' proving non-standard technology is simply the camera rotating--hence the name 'gimbal'--and not proof of alien anything.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 9:58 am to Enadious
Ah yes. Swamp gas.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:20 am to SouthEasternKaiju
Many of the ideas from that movie came from Alan Hynek. He was contracted by Spielberg because he headed up Project Bluebook. Probably why there were 3 1/2 - 4 foot grey aliens. Bluebook was the government’s white washing of the ufo mystery. The whole thing was a waste of time to “settle” the debate once and for all. It didn’t work because their explanations in most cases were preposterous. So, yea…a lot of what we see depicted in movies is real inside stuff that no one really knows. Sometimes they will tell you what’s coming in the future with inside information. Most people know this, but Hynek actually admitted to the cover up and said he came to believe in UFO’s during the long investigation. As far as the goggles, thousands of people who lived in Las Vegas worked there. It wasn’t a secret. It was called Dreamland, not Area 51 back then. They also viewed nuclear explosions.
Lazar just turned out to be another enthusiast who’s claims got out of control. That idiot reporter Knapp has been on it the entire time, and he even moved on to Corbell’s dumbass. They all keep the topic moving, so there’s that I guess
Lazar just turned out to be another enthusiast who’s claims got out of control. That idiot reporter Knapp has been on it the entire time, and he even moved on to Corbell’s dumbass. They all keep the topic moving, so there’s that I guess
This post was edited on 10/22/22 at 10:35 am
Posted on 10/22/22 at 10:45 am to Herbert
I subscribe to a couple space weather, sun, weather channels and they have been capturing some really interesting stuff around the sun. Flying in and out of it. It’s really bizarre and many of these objects appear to have structure, some with potential lights, and they are huge. Like Earth sized. One video showed 2 of them flying together IIRC. Nobody has made sense of them yet. I think it all started with that video back in 2012 where that giant circle seemed to be sucking plasma out of the sun.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:03 pm to goatmilker
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Ah yes. Swamp gas.
You can jump to the about the 7 minute mark to see the gimbal debunk. However, I'd recommend the whole video.
Mick West
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:32 pm to Enadious
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The 'gravity defying maneuver' proving non-standard technology is simply the camera rotating--hence the name 'gimbal'--and not proof of alien anything.
None of the Navy videos or Mick West analysis prove anything either way. There is more data that is available that the Navy is not revealing . I think Mick is doing the best analysis he can with the info available but its incomplete and he acknowledges that point.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 12:34 pm to Enadious
I believe Mick West makes his butter by debunking any and all potential mysterious craft. Not saying he does a bad job. I's just what he does.
If anyone wants explore an honest attempt at positing a theory of propulsion, here ya geaux.
A Fundamental Explanation of UAPs
We present a theory of how UAPs work that explains everything one can observe about them.
By understanding them, we can also explain their origin and nature. We aim to settle the matter once and for all.
Overview
1- We present a theory and qualitative explanation for the physics of UAPs and discuss their likely origin.
2- From the theory, we make a list of predictions that can be tested observationally. We want Navy personnel to be aware of these.
3- We provide evidence of these observations within the data that are already available.
4- For general readers, we have prepared additional pages with more detailed explanations of some of the physics involved.
UAP Theory
If anyone wants explore an honest attempt at positing a theory of propulsion, here ya geaux.
A Fundamental Explanation of UAPs
We present a theory of how UAPs work that explains everything one can observe about them.
By understanding them, we can also explain their origin and nature. We aim to settle the matter once and for all.
Overview
1- We present a theory and qualitative explanation for the physics of UAPs and discuss their likely origin.
2- From the theory, we make a list of predictions that can be tested observationally. We want Navy personnel to be aware of these.
3- We provide evidence of these observations within the data that are already available.
4- For general readers, we have prepared additional pages with more detailed explanations of some of the physics involved.
UAP Theory
Posted on 10/22/22 at 3:47 pm to LookSquirrel
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We present a theory of how UAPs work that explains everything one can observe about them.
By understanding them, we can also explain their origin and nature. We aim to settle the matter once and for all.
I'm having trouble making it through the Foreword. I see no definition of "we" from the author(s) and the second sentence contains a fundamental error and misunderstanding of exoplanet research. From the article:
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...with the discovery of habitable exoplanets.
We have not discovered a single habitable exoplanet. Even the James Webb telescope won't have that capability, save for some science fiction-like scenario where the planet's unlit side has artificial light rivaling that of a star. That would obviously be freaking cool but we'd need a telescope the size of Manhattan to detect what we'd commonly describe as artifical light.
Science just doesn't have the technology yet to confirm habitability and anyone that says we've discovered a habitable planet is engaging in conjecture. Even accurately calculating an exoplanet's atmospheric composition would not be sufficient data to determine habitability, albeit it does go a long way towards narrowing the search. Remember, habitability isn't determined solely by being a certain size planet in a certain zone around a particular star, it's determined by the presence of stable, liquid water.
Anyway, I'll give the article another try tonight when my patience isn't being tested by my kids, I did scroll down a bit and saw some interesting stuff for sure.
This post was edited on 10/22/22 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 10/22/22 at 3:53 pm to ThuperThumpin
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None of the Navy videos or Mick West analysis prove anything either way. There is more data that is available that the Navy is not revealing . I think Mick is doing the best analysis he can with the info available but its incomplete and he acknowledges that point.
Well said, we need to see the classified RADAR data as sourced from multiple devices across multiple platforms. I'm curious if Congress was made privy to it...
Posted on 10/22/22 at 4:01 pm to Herbert
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I subscribe to a couple space weather, sun, weather channels and they have been capturing some really interesting stuff around the sun. Flying in and out of it. It’s really bizarre and many of these objects appear to have structure, some with potential lights, and they are huge. Like Earth sized. One video showed 2 of them flying together IIRC. Nobody has made sense of them yet. I think it all started with that video back in 2012 where that giant circle seemed to be sucking plasma out of the sun.
Can you link any of these or perhaps the channels you're subscribed to? I saw a few "sun UFO" videos awhile back but they were unconvincing, to put it mildly.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 4:09 pm to TigersN_Beer
What do you guys think about Steven Greer? Personally I think he’s a charlatan. All of his crying is hilarious.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 4:20 pm to JackieTreehorn
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What do you guys think about Steven Greer? Personally I think he’s a charlatan. All of his crying is hilarious.
Agreed. And his CE5 crap that he charges for is also hilarious, as is his "evidence" (can't use that word without quotations when it comes to Greer) for it.
I think someone already said something similar in this thread but Greer is like Corbell, Knapp, Lazar, et al, they keep the conversation in the spotlight, so that's I guess good to some degree, but they appeal mostly to people who are so willingly to believe that they have a total detachment from what constitutes a fact and good evidence.
This post was edited on 10/22/22 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 10/22/22 at 4:30 pm to Herbert
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Like Earth sized. One video showed 2 of them flying together IIRC. Nobody has made sense of them yet. I think it all started with that video back in 2012 where that giant circle seemed to be sucking plasma out of the sun.
The nutty thing about these things is they tend to come from multiple observations. And given the right filters the average person can put their own equipment on them and spot them.
The only thing I didn't really get a chance to really talk on is Lazar...
You were right that it was a matter of time before we baked element 115, and publicly there is no stable isotope as he stated. So you're right on with the public view there.
But he was pretty close with Janet air; the security procedure in the areas (GD); the location of tests; WHO they recruit (nobodies)...; etc.
At the time area 51 didn't "exist", it didn't become public until the early 90s from court cases involving "burning trash".
Now, most of that could've been discovered just by talking to drunk Airmen in Vegas, I know, because I was one once upon a time.
I don't know how he became informed behind the door, but he talks pretty accurate for the time. It doesn't make me believe his whole story, but it's noteworthy in the set-up.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 4:53 pm to Herbert
That’s always been my gut instinct, but since then, I’ve given half an ear to his claims.
Random sidenote, concerning the Phoenix lights. Actor Kurt Russell actually called in those lights himself to air traffic control when he was piloting his private plane. Then he forgot about the incident entirely until like 10 years later when he realized they were the same lights. How weird is that?
Ego the Planet spotted a ufo.
Random sidenote, concerning the Phoenix lights. Actor Kurt Russell actually called in those lights himself to air traffic control when he was piloting his private plane. Then he forgot about the incident entirely until like 10 years later when he realized they were the same lights. How weird is that?
Ego the Planet spotted a ufo.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 5:39 pm to TigersN_Beer
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I'm having trouble making it through the Foreword.
Yes, you will have to follow their reasoning and not get bogged down in the minutia, which they offer links to explain the assumptions made. They follow the scientific method, and you have to understand it is theory based on what IS known. The video analysis in itself is better than most anything else you may have seen before. The multiple videos used are only presented halfway through.
Foreword
Overview
Assumption
Understanding UAPs
The Main Argument
Plausibility & Physics
Predictions – Part 1
Predictions – Part 2
Observations & Verification
Dissecting UAP Footage
1. Duplication
2. Invisibility
3. Background Lensing
4. Diving and Second Object
Skepticism & Reality
FLIR Footage
Conclusions and the Origin of UAPs
About Our Remaining Predictions
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Our Hypothesis
As derived above, UAPs create distortions in spacetime to create geodesics along which they move free of accelerations.
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Plausibility & Physics
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Observations & Verification
The "good stuff" doesn't even begin until you get half way down the page, to here.
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Dissecting UAP Footage
2013 Aguadilla, Puerto Rico
Then this part, at the bottom, will make more sense.
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Conclusions and the Origin of UAPs
Posted on 10/22/22 at 6:09 pm to LookSquirrel
Good to know! I will 100% check it out tonight and post my thoughts.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 6:15 pm to xxTIMMYxx
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The implications of an admission/confirmation of the UAP reality are massive. Everything is going to change, from philosophy to history to physics and beyond. It’s going to turn many peoples’ world upside down.
I listen to these YT astrophysicists talk about the Fermi paradox and the possibility advanced civilizations other than our own may not exist. UAP will blow that out of the water. Unless it is the Chinese. We know it's not the Russians.
Posted on 10/22/22 at 6:28 pm to TigersN_Beer
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He can't name any professors or peers from 2 of the most prestigious institutes on the planet that he claims to have attended, and the 1 he did finally name turned out to be a professor from a community college he dropped out of in California.
You seem very energized and almost angry about him
But the reality is that its just as plausible that he WONT name a professor as it is that he CANT
Posted on 10/22/22 at 6:42 pm to theRealJesseD
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But the reality is that its just as plausible that he WONT name a professor as it is that he CANT
Please explain how that is equally plausible.
And you missed the part where he actually did name one...
...but not from either of the 2 best physics departments on the planet, it was from an accepts-all community college he failed to mention in his interviews and promptly dropped out of.
Would love to hear how that factors into your equally plausible reality.
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