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re: TX water company says brown water is "good water"
Posted on 6/15/18 at 1:07 pm to Joshjrn
Posted on 6/15/18 at 1:07 pm to Joshjrn
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Sure, use utilities, one of the most heavily regulated areas of the economy, to take a swipe at libertarians/deregulation. Makes perfect sense
Joe Rogan had Dave Rubin on his podcast the other day and there was a magnificent exchange that illustrates what I’m talking about perfectly. Dave was going on and on about regulations and Joe mentioned he had spent a lot of time in the construction industry and how important those regulations were to protect the consumer who isn’t trained to know what to look for when buying a house (and would be unreasonable to expect them to). Dave stammered and tried to respond but had to concede the point at least on construction.
The thing is there are all sorts of areas where regulation is equally as important that Right Libertarianism (which has co-opted the American Libertarian party) ignores out of idealism and unfettered trust in buisness. The naivety is astounding.
This is NOT to say regulation is always a good thing or that regular reforms aren’t important, just that Libertarians in this country speak in platitudes without having much understanding (or care) as to why many regulations exist in the first place.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 1:09 pm
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 1:09 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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just that Libertarians in this country speak in platitudes without having much understanding (or care) as to why many regulations exist in the first place.
Brutal
Posted on 6/15/18 at 1:32 pm to LSU2a
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I chose to move to Texas because they actually have a functioning government and a thriving economy that has more to it than oil and tourism. I love my homestate of Louisiana, but I cannot acheive my entrepreneurial goals there, nor do I desire to raise a family in a state that doesn’t value education.
Good one. Sorry you couldn’t find a job
Posted on 6/15/18 at 2:39 pm to el Gaucho
quote:FIFY
The funny thing is a bunch of people on this board had to move to Texas because they didn't want to work for pennies in Louisiana
Posted on 6/15/18 at 2:49 pm to Draconian Sanctions
The mainstream libertarian position isn’t that there wouldn’t be regulatory bodies that offer insight/oversight. It’s that those bodies would be private instead of governmental. Think state Bar associations.
Just off the cuff, I could conceive of competing organizations that, for a fee, would review the plans of any construction project if requested. I could further see a subscription model that would allow you to check anything they had on file. Moving into a new apartment building? Check to see if the plans were ever reviewed. If not, let them know that you aren’t interested unless it gets the stamp of approval. We already all do this when we ask for the CarFacts report when we buy a car. You’ll notice it’s the rare person that brings a magnet to a car dealership these days to check for body work repairs.
Just off the cuff, I could conceive of competing organizations that, for a fee, would review the plans of any construction project if requested. I could further see a subscription model that would allow you to check anything they had on file. Moving into a new apartment building? Check to see if the plans were ever reviewed. If not, let them know that you aren’t interested unless it gets the stamp of approval. We already all do this when we ask for the CarFacts report when we buy a car. You’ll notice it’s the rare person that brings a magnet to a car dealership these days to check for body work repairs.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 2:50 pm to Quidam65
The guy chose to live in Waxahachie.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:01 pm to Joshjrn
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It’s that those bodies would be private instead of governmental.
Sounds wonderful on paper.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:06 pm to Joshjrn
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The mainstream libertarian position isn’t that there wouldn’t be regulatory bodies that offer insight/oversight. It’s that those bodies would be private instead of governmental. Think state Bar associations
And would be built to make money. Not to protect consumers.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:07 pm to LSU2a
Don't feed the troll.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:18 pm to Lakeboy7
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Sounds wonderful on paper.
Our current governmental regulatory bodies are giant money sinks that do a terrible job in achieving their stated mission.
At least private bodies would have an incentive to do better.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:21 pm to Joshjrn
The problem with that though is generally those private oversight bodies don’t have the same ability to protect the public/consumers without controlling licensure nor the motive as they would presumably be for profit enterprises.
There are certainly some areas where privatization of the administration of certain things is fine and would be more efficient, I don’t have a problem with that generally, but again when you get in the weeds on these things you find out the regulations tend to exist for a reason. Are some outdated and others overburdensom? Absolutely, not arguing that & I’m all for regular review. I don’t have a problem with the repeal 2 regs for ever new one you want to imlement (for a time at least) either for he record.
There are certainly some areas where privatization of the administration of certain things is fine and would be more efficient, I don’t have a problem with that generally, but again when you get in the weeds on these things you find out the regulations tend to exist for a reason. Are some outdated and others overburdensom? Absolutely, not arguing that & I’m all for regular review. I don’t have a problem with the repeal 2 regs for ever new one you want to imlement (for a time at least) either for he record.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:21 pm to bmy
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And would be built to make money. Not to protect consumers.
Current governmental regulatory bodies may be built to protect consumers in theory, but do a terrible job of it because there is zero employee incentive to do so.
Mercedes isn’t “built” to give two shits about my safety in the abstract, yet designs and manufactures incredibly safe vehicles. Why? Because it is in their financial best interest to do so. A private regulatory agency would have an entire business model predicated on consumer confidence. Breach that confidence even a single time and you’re likely out of business.
How’s the EPA doing these days in the realm of consumer trust?
Eta: this is from a few years ago, but: LINK
A 32% favorability rating is abysmal. For context, that’s almost 20 points lower than Comcast: LINK
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:24 pm to Joshjrn
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Current governmental regulatory bodies may be built to protect consumers in theory, but do a terrible job of it because there is zero employee incentive to do so.
That’s a hell of a broad brush
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:27 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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That’s a hell of a broad brush
That our regulatory bodies do a terrible job or that employees don’t have incentive to do better?
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:33 pm to Joshjrn
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That our regulatory bodies do a terrible job or that employees don’t have incentive to do better?
Both
Posted on 6/15/18 at 3:59 pm to Quidam65
Stop being poor and buy yourself a reverse osmosis water purification system. Woohlah, your water problems are gone.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 4:12 pm to el Gaucho
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The funny thing is a bunch of people on this board had to move to Texas because they couldn’t find a job in Louisiana
No, that's not why we moved here. I was never without a good job in Louisiana. We moved here because there are BETTER jobs in Texas. There are better opportunities in Texas. The schools are better in Texas. The political leaders are better in Texas. I can go on but I think you already knew Texas was better than Louisiana in a lot of ways. I love my home state of Louisiana. If Louisiana could ever get it's shite together, we'd move back in a heartbeat.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 6:04 pm to Joshjrn
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Current governmental regulatory bodies may be built to protect consumers in theory, but do a terrible job of it because there is zero employee incentive to do so.
Mercedes isn’t “built” to give two shits about my safety in the abstract, yet designs and manufactures incredibly safe vehicles. Why? Because it is in their financial best interest to do so. A private regulatory agency would have an entire business model predicated on consumer confidence. Breach that confidence even a single time and you’re likely out of business.
How’s the EPA doing these days in the realm of consumer trust?
Eta: this is from a few years ago, but: LINK
A 32% favorability rating is abysmal. For context, that’s almost 20 points lower than Comcast: LINK
How many consumers could name more than one EPA program? That favorability rating comes from propaganda and media not results. Most people have never encountered an EPA official in their life
I do environmental/regulatory work for a state agency and I can guarantee you my colleagues work hard to do a good job protecting consumers. The incentive comes from having a fricking career, a way to pay your bills, and having a job that is far more fulfilling than selling your soul to make a buck. Yeah, we make mistakes once in a while.. shite happens and expecting perfection is dumb.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 6/15/18 at 6:10 pm to boogiewoogie1978
Bro. Air isn’t Brown
Posted on 6/15/18 at 6:11 pm to sjmabry
Tell that to all the Texas baws in Lake Chuck BAW
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