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re: Two things can be true at the same time
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:14 pm to razorbackfan4life
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:14 pm to razorbackfan4life
Pretti exercised bad judgement. He was carrying that weapon into a charged atmosphere.A near riot. He did not tell the officers he was carrying to my knowledge.
And if i am told correctly he was not legal. He did not have his permit.
Lets use a different scenario. Lets put Pretti in Baton Rouge on an LSU gameday, or in NOLA for Mardi Gras. Let him approach a bunch of LEO's like he did, and not tell them he's armed.They find out, what's gonna happen? No permit on his person, and extra mags. He resists.
A traffic stop, most anywhere. Pretti's pulled over and fails to notify the officer he's armed. The officer finds out. Not good. No permit on his person, and extra mags. They pull him out, and he resists.
In either scenario theres a decent chance Pretti eats a bullet.
And if i am told correctly he was not legal. He did not have his permit.
Lets use a different scenario. Lets put Pretti in Baton Rouge on an LSU gameday, or in NOLA for Mardi Gras. Let him approach a bunch of LEO's like he did, and not tell them he's armed.They find out, what's gonna happen? No permit on his person, and extra mags. He resists.
A traffic stop, most anywhere. Pretti's pulled over and fails to notify the officer he's armed. The officer finds out. Not good. No permit on his person, and extra mags. They pull him out, and he resists.
In either scenario theres a decent chance Pretti eats a bullet.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 1:22 pm
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Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:16 pm to CatahoulaCur
That's fine.
The correct course of action now is to CONTINUE all enforcement activities directed toward enforcing federal immigration law. At the same time, we will have Internal Affairs conduct their investigation into the Pretti Incident.
Once this investigation is complete, normal adverse disciplinary and/or corrective actions will occur.
At the appropriate time, the Agency will make their findings public information.
We aren't going to allow emotionally-driven hysteria to be the prime mover in what happens next. We will continue enforcing federal immigration law. The federal agencies will not retreat one step. FedGov will investigate and address the Pretty Incident in due course of time and in accord with SOP.
Now, everybody go back home or back to their jobs and let the federal LE police do their work.
The correct course of action now is to CONTINUE all enforcement activities directed toward enforcing federal immigration law. At the same time, we will have Internal Affairs conduct their investigation into the Pretti Incident.
Once this investigation is complete, normal adverse disciplinary and/or corrective actions will occur.
At the appropriate time, the Agency will make their findings public information.
We aren't going to allow emotionally-driven hysteria to be the prime mover in what happens next. We will continue enforcing federal immigration law. The federal agencies will not retreat one step. FedGov will investigate and address the Pretty Incident in due course of time and in accord with SOP.
Now, everybody go back home or back to their jobs and let the federal LE police do their work.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:17 pm to CatahoulaCur
As long as DHS is calling Pretti a “domestic terrorist” which he obviously isn’t, expect them to continue to get rinsed and the PR nightmare to continue.
This admin is making a big bet thinking they can simply gaslight everyone to no end and it’ll work out, guess we’ll see…
This admin is making a big bet thinking they can simply gaslight everyone to no end and it’ll work out, guess we’ll see…
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:18 pm to Snipe
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ICE can carry out their legal and lawful orders and ICE can protect themselves from violent mobs intending to do them harm up to and including unaliving threat to themselves.
I feel sorry for the agents who were trying to do their lawful jobs and were intruded upon by these zealots.
Getti's family apparently had been pleading with him for several days not to do something irrational. Stupidity sometimes has dire consequences.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:19 pm to CatahoulaCur
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Admitting wrongdoing that the ICE officer acted unjustifiably, does not sour (or should not sour) ICE in general.
I’m not admitting that bullshite. It was a contrived situation created to cause chaos and put ICE in an impossible situation. They didn’t shoot someone they were apprehending, then you might have a point. This situation was purposefully created and the outcome was preordained by leftist filth!
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:20 pm to CatahoulaCur
Well said OP. People have a difficult time with dichotomy until they accept it as just how reality actually works.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:20 pm to CatahoulaCur
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Admitting wrongdoing that the ICE officer acted unjustifiably, does not sour (or should not sour) ICE in general.
Can we just wait for the investigation to be completed before you Panicans start spewing "unjustified"
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:21 pm to CatahoulaCur
The problem is the liberals want you to think this happened:
And a certain percentage believe it. That’s dangerous.
And a certain percentage believe it. That’s dangerous.
This post was edited on 1/26/26 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:21 pm to Champagne
"Now, everybody go back home or back to their jobs and let the federal LE police do their work."
It's amazing how little chance you have of ending up unalive if you follow this simple process.
If you choose to not do that but choose to protest from a position outside the parameters of where federal LE is doing their work (of enforcing the law), say about 50 yards away with a whistle and a sign etc your chances of ending up unalive increase, but not by much.
The closer you get to the "action", including when you step over the line of "protest" to the CRIMINAL line of "obstruction" it's amazing how the odds of you ending up unalive continue to go up exponentially (ie. when you add a car or a gun to the situation etc etc).
It's amazing how little chance you have of ending up unalive if you follow this simple process.
If you choose to not do that but choose to protest from a position outside the parameters of where federal LE is doing their work (of enforcing the law), say about 50 yards away with a whistle and a sign etc your chances of ending up unalive increase, but not by much.
The closer you get to the "action", including when you step over the line of "protest" to the CRIMINAL line of "obstruction" it's amazing how the odds of you ending up unalive continue to go up exponentially (ie. when you add a car or a gun to the situation etc etc).
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:22 pm to AGGIES
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It’s kind of shocking that you would feel otherwise. I can only assume you aren’t in a diverse area.
I don't think I had a single progressive make any sort of comment of the type on Kirk. Nor would it be normal for leftists to do that. I'm not on social media but my wife is, and I don't recall her seeing anything about Kirk (positively) from left leaning friends. But we did see glib comments and claims that the shooter might have been a right-winger, etc.
Not sure what you mean by "diverse." I live in Atlanta. Pretty diverse.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:22 pm to mwade91383
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As long as DHS is calling Pretti a “domestic terrorist” which he obviously isn’t, expect them to continue to get rinsed and the PR nightmare to continue
If it is true that Pretti was indeed a part of Minnesota government's operations to hamper ICE, then he was a domestic terrorist.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:24 pm to mwade91383
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As long as DHS is calling Pretti a “domestic terrorist” which he obviously isn’t, expect them to continue to get rinsed and the PR nightmare to continue. This admin is making a big bet thinking they can simply gaslight everyone to no end and it’ll work out, guess we’ll see…
Gaslighting obvious things that the entire US public can see with their own eyes is a test case.
What happens if the public just accepts obvious lies, or when it isn’t so obvious what happened? Will the govt. act in an ethical manner?
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:24 pm to SallysHuman
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I'm not admitting shite until the results of an investigation are released. Right now, considering the climate in MN, ICE/BP has the benefit of the doubt from me.
Anything outside of this and I assume you’re an unreasonable partisan who shouldn’t be bothered with paying any attention to
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:24 pm to CatahoulaCur
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can be true
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is fact
Like some of you are implying. Fact is, none of us know exactly what the "fact is" yet
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:25 pm to UtahCajun
mwade is very offended by words. even if they are true.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:25 pm to ArHog
Wait for an investigation?! Buddy DHS tweeted this shite right afterwards, brutal community notes, blatant errors and inaccuracies.
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Two things can be true at the same time
Not if you're a populist.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:27 pm to AGGIES
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Gaslighting obvious things that the entire US public can see with their own eyes is a test case.
Is it? I don't think MAGA has the might to really will that to most of the country even if that's the goal.
It's also not exactly novel. The official position of the prior administration was that men could get pregnant. The government likewise told us COVID didn't come from the lab that was a block from where the outbreak started.
Mass gaslighting is really effective when the institutions back it and contradicting it is punishable by said institutions. It's less effective when you don't have those things (MAGA doesn't).
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:29 pm to Pettifogger
Yeah I’d say Atlanta is considered diverse.
Although I suppose you could only interact with people who share your political ideology.
That’s just not possible where I am in Houston. It’s a melting pot.
We have to get out of our homes and interact with people in the real world and not just via algorithm filtered social media feeds. That’s what divides us the most.
Although I suppose you could only interact with people who share your political ideology.
That’s just not possible where I am in Houston. It’s a melting pot.
We have to get out of our homes and interact with people in the real world and not just via algorithm filtered social media feeds. That’s what divides us the most.
Posted on 1/26/26 at 1:31 pm to Snipe
I agree with you 100%, but it’s disingenuous to say that’s what happened. There were 8 BP agents around him. You can see from the video that the gun was gone and this guy was a threat to no one at that point.
And even if you are “impeded from doing your job”, which a strong argument can be made this was the case, that’s NOT the legal standing to use your own weapon.
And even if you are “impeded from doing your job”, which a strong argument can be made this was the case, that’s NOT the legal standing to use your own weapon.
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