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re: Twitter board unanimously recommends Musk's takeover bid...Has Elon Bit off too much?

Posted on 6/22/22 at 6:36 am to
Posted by Rogers Hog
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 6:36 am to
If Elon only owned a company or two that could buy big blocks of advertising from twitter to get them through the tough times. His meeting with the employees teased some pretty big plans for twitter to increase its footprint in digital media.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57100 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 6:41 am to
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Elon when he did his crazy high bid waived due diligence.


Twitter still made representations and warranties. If they were not earnest in those representations Musk can back out with no penalty.

I hope he doesn’t back out. Musk losing 10 billion is not much to him. His net worth will continue to grow. Probably double in less than ten years.
Posted by Decatur
Member since Mar 2007
31760 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:03 am to
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His meeting with the employees teased some pretty big plans for twitter to increase its footprint in digital media.


Does Musk really think that core Twitter users want the app to be more like TikTok? Is he going to prevent linking to YouTube videos and get Twitter into the web video hosting business? Same with getting into the web payments business to compete with PayPal. Is he going to try to turn Twitter into a SuperApp? I really don’t think that’s what core Twitter users want. I’m not sure how much thought he has given to those ideas he mentioned in that meeting.
Posted by Bayou Brat
Member since Jul 2021
1023 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 9:12 am to
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He waived due diligence.






Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:33 pm to
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My comments were/are made based upon Musk's (aka Musk and a team of high-end lawyers') matter-of-fact insistence that the bot issue must be resolved prior to closure.


You don’t seem to understand he’s not permitted by the contract to request and due diligence the bot issue. He can either close or walk and pay the break up fee. That’s what happens when you don’t do any pre sign diligence and then waive post signing pre close diligence. That’s the contract - it heavily favors the seller. frick.
Posted by GusAU
Member since Mar 2014
4920 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 1:56 am to
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I think

No the hell you don't.

Dumbass....
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:09 am to
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You don’t seem to understand he’s not permitted by the contract to request and due diligence the bot issue.
What you don't understand is you're bringing civil law to a criminal law discussion.

This all may be moot anyway.
After all, TWTR capitulated to Musk's legal team, and folded to at least some of their demands for data. It's now a matter of seeing whether they make good on those assured provisions.
Posted by Diamondawg
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Member since Oct 2006
37125 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:10 am to
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Same with getting into the web payments business to compete with PayPal.
I thought one of the companies he owned changed its name to PayPal (or maybe merged with another and the surviving name became PayPal).
Posted by jonnyanony
Member since Nov 2020
14914 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:18 am to
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If Elon only owned a company or two that could buy big blocks of advertising from twitter to get them through the tough times.


I'm not sure robbing Peter to pay Paul is a solid long term strategy.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 6/23/22 at 5:21 am to
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I’m not sure how much thought he has given to those ideas he mentioned in that meeting.
Not sure how much thought he has given to those ideas, eh?

You guys are so interesting.
Really, you are.

I've been perusing comments by your leftist brethren about Musk along the same lines. He's stupid. He's dumb. He's an idiot. He doesn't understand computers, much less coding. He's a simpleton. He didn't build his companies, someone did that for him. He's got Asperger's. He's a racist. Etc.

Meanwhile, Hunter Biden is is the brightest guy your Potato-in-Chief ever met.

I can actually see where the Metaverse of make-believe would be so appealing to you all.
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
17543 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 6:21 am to
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You don’t seem to understand he’s not permitted by the contract to request and due diligence the bot issue. He can either close or walk and pay the break up fee. That’s what happens when you don’t do any pre sign diligence and then waive post signing pre close diligence. That’s the contract - it heavily favors the seller. frick.


Since it's you, I'll just believe the opposite, due to your history of being wrong all the time.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
48111 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 6:25 am to
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I've been perusing comments by your leftist brethren about Musk along the same lines. He's stupid. He's dumb. He's an idiot. He doesn't understand computers, much less coding. He's a simpleton. He didn't build his companies, someone did that for him. He's got Asperger's. He's a racist. Etc.

Meanwhile, Hunter Biden is is the brightest guy your Potato-in-Chief ever met.

I can actually see where the Metaverse of make-believe would be so appealing to you all.

throw in the damned towel!!
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:15 am to
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What you don't understand is you're bringing civil law to a criminal law discussion.


He can’t bring criminal charges and he can’t just allege fraud and bingo-bango contract cancelled.

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After all, TWTR capitulated to Musk's legal team, and folded to at least some of their demands for data. It's now a matter of seeing whether they make good on those assured provisions.


Which was achieved outside of the 4 corners of the contract through the threats of litigation and refusal to close the deal. The deal being tied up in litigation and not closing could be so damaging that they capitulated. He is using this leverage to renegotiate, not the contractual provisions.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
57100 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 7:59 am to
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allege fraud and bingo-bango contract cancelled.


Well it will take a few steps, but yes….fraud vitiates the contract
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:13 am to
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Your understanding to the contrary is ... amazing.


Bruh, it’s cwill.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:49 am to
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Well it will take a few steps, but yes….fraud vitiates the contract


I never said it didn’t, only that you can’t simply allege it and kill the deal. NC hadn’t read the contract, started his argument on a misunderstanding of the facts and now thinks you can just yell fraud in a crowded boardroom and get out of a deal because he bought a business that one time.
Posted by LSUMBA91
The Holy City
Member since Nov 2007
251 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:04 am to
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If you read Twitter quarterly reports they explicitly state that their estimate of false or spam accounts could be higher than they estimate. It’s there in black and white. I’m sure Elon and his attorneys were well aware of this prior to the offer.


Quarterly reports are garbage. The annual audited statements are where the estimates should have been tested by an independent 3rd party-- well, as independent as a company can be when being paid by the auditee. Reliance on audited financial statements for decision making is one reason why the SEC exists.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135671 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:04 am to
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He can’t bring criminal charges
Oh boy

Can the law force him under threat of financial penalty to acquire an enterprise which is likely criminally tainted?
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The deal being tied up in litigation and not closing could be so damaging that they capitulated. He is using this leverage to renegotiate, not the contractual provisions.
If he is simply using this leverage to renegotiate, the thing is going to litigation regardless. Correct? So why would skilled attorneys for TWTR set any impediment to that end?

If your premise was correct, opening the data firehose (Twitter's terminology regarding its recent action) will allow Musk to slow-walk the path to inevitable litigation, rather than moving straight to it. In other words, if the goal is expeditious closure, TWTRs legal team just shot its client in the foot.

If Musk's requests are completely invalid, as you insist, then TWTR should fire its entire legal team bingo-bango, and start over.

In fact, TWTR's legal team ain't doing squat without being forced. They opened the firehose now because they were going to have to do it eventually.

With regard to "renegotiation" being the Musk endgame, renegotiation at a significantly lower pricepoint will, with virtual certainty, bring a bidding war from Salesforce and others. IOW the price will be high to market regardless, and even then Musk could be outbid.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54755 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 10:42 am to
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Can the law force him under threat of financial penalty to acquire an enterprise which is likely criminally tainted?


You can’t just say I believe it’s fraudulent or “likely criminally tainted” and get out of an agreement. He waived diligence pre and post signing. He had data rights relative to financing. At a point Twitter will be in a position to sue for specific performance. Just because they can and may ultimately prevail, that is not a desirable outcome and could ultimately be more damaging. Musk is at this point playing a game of chicken outside of the 4 corners of the contract. The quality of Twitter legal isn’t an issue in this result.

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If he is simply using this leverage to renegotiate, the thing is going to litigation regardless.


Not necessarily.

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If your premise was correct, opening the data firehose (Twitter's terminology regarding its recent action) will allow Musk to slow-walk the path to inevitable litigation, rather than moving straight to it. In other words, if the goal is expeditious closure, TWTRs legal team just shot its client in the foot.


Your assuming a lot. First that the bot #s as disclosed are fraudulent. Second that flooding the field with data will lead to a later close date and certain litigation v a refusal to disclose per contract and end up having to litigate on that end. The calculus isn’t easy in this situation.

I think it’s more likely that Twitter has a heavily lawyered defensible bot counting methodology, but musk will use threats and twitters desperation to close the deal to renegotiate the $.

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With regard to "renegotiation" being the Musk endgame, renegotiation at a significantly lower pricepoint will, with virtual certainty, bring a bidding war from Salesforce and others.


As crazy as it sounds the merger agreement is still in place and if Twitter tries to pivot to another buyer musk could sue to enforce the agreement! The renegotiation of price does not terminate the executed “binding” contract!
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135671 posts
Posted on 6/23/22 at 12:43 pm to
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Your assuming a lot. First that the bot #s as disclosed are fraudulent.

I'm not concluding that.
I'm simply observing evidence obviously points to fake accounts far in excess of the TWTR claim.

Meanwhile, TWTR claims, both in filings and in sworn testimony, the bot number is <5%.

I assume the TWTR board has industry standard methods and methodology to support its filings and testimony. Don't you? I assume those tests should be easy to produce and replicate. Don't you? So? Where are they?

I assume that if TWTR lied in its filings and testimony, its criminal action would constitute a material and adverse effect on TWTR value. Don't you?

Again, available evidence points in that direction.
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I think it’s more likely that Twitter has a heavily lawyered defensible bot counting methodology
I would certainly hope so. As TWTR is getting hammered, where is it?
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if Twitter tries to pivot to another buyer musk could sue to enforce the agreement! The renegotiation of price does not terminate the executed “binding” contract!
Twitter would break the agreement in an instant if Benioff came with a ballpark offer.
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