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Turkey, Syria, Kurds (someone explain please)
Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:05 am
Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:05 am
Someone please lay out the cliff notes/facts of this ordeal like I’m a 5 year old.
Non biased facts maybe with a little history preface.
So much spin out there today.
Non biased facts maybe with a little history preface.
So much spin out there today.
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Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:08 am to pwejr88
the kurds are a people everybody hates who live in Syria, Iraq, Turkey, etc
the kurds help the US when we are around their area b/c they hate anyone we're there to kill (due to the above)
the kurds want their own state, which is impossible b/c it would take the agreement of Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Syria, and other countries who all hate them. they will never get their own state
Syria is basically over so we are pulling back, which leaves the kurds open to attack from Turkey, again, who hates the kurds
Turkey is a NATO ally so any attack on Turkey is an attack on US soil, effectively
DEMs are using "leaving the Kurds behind" as an excuse for forever war
GOPs who are hawks are using "leaving the Kurds behind" as an excuse for forever war
the kurds help the US when we are around their area b/c they hate anyone we're there to kill (due to the above)
the kurds want their own state, which is impossible b/c it would take the agreement of Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Syria, and other countries who all hate them. they will never get their own state
Syria is basically over so we are pulling back, which leaves the kurds open to attack from Turkey, again, who hates the kurds
Turkey is a NATO ally so any attack on Turkey is an attack on US soil, effectively
DEMs are using "leaving the Kurds behind" as an excuse for forever war
GOPs who are hawks are using "leaving the Kurds behind" as an excuse for forever war
Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:09 am to pwejr88
The middle east has been at war since man could swing a stick.
It will never change.
The rest of the world wants our resources to try to create the inevitable, peace.
That is stupid.
It will never change.
The rest of the world wants our resources to try to create the inevitable, peace.
That is stupid.
This post was edited on 10/17/19 at 8:11 am
Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:13 am to pwejr88
quote:
Someone please lay out the cliff notes/facts of this ordeal like I’m a 5 year old.
Kurds and Turks have been fighting for 100's of years.
Kurds recently took up arms and helped the US defeat ISIS.
ISIS is defeated.
America comes home.
Kurds and Turks resume fighting.
Now it's OMB fault for exiting Northern Syria as the Kurds and Turks resume their perpetual fighting.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:13 am to SlowFlowPro
About half of all Kurds live in Turkey, and they account for 18 percent of the Turkish population.
Not sure how that plays in, but its an interesting note.
Not sure how that plays in, but its an interesting note.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:14 am to SlowFlowPro
Good cliffs.
Have to say, I am disappointed at these baws that voted on that BS resolution to condemn the "withdrawal" relocation of troops:
Steve Scalise, John Ratcliffe, Kevin McCarthy, Doug Collins and Devin Nunes.
Have to say, I am disappointed at these baws that voted on that BS resolution to condemn the "withdrawal" relocation of troops:
Steve Scalise, John Ratcliffe, Kevin McCarthy, Doug Collins and Devin Nunes.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:16 am to pwejr88
I was gonna make a long post but SFP put it all out nicely. The Kurds you hear our veterans talk about that we fought so hard with are Iraqi Kurds, we just within the last decade have anything to do with Syrian Kurds. Iraqi and Syrian Kurds don’t get along. Turkey gets along with Iraqi Kurds but not Syrian Kurds. Assad is a mean brutal dictator, Syria needs a mean brutal dictator. Russia is paying a heavy price to protect Syria, I’m glad they are and not us. They can have all that “interest” and “influence” they are getting there, it hasn’t done us any good when we went after it.
Syria has agreed to help the Kurds under agreements that I haven’t yet read. Russia is in a tight spot between Turkey and Kurds, again, better them than us. Russia will side with Syria if it came down to it.
Eta: Damnit I still made a long post
Syria has agreed to help the Kurds under agreements that I haven’t yet read. Russia is in a tight spot between Turkey and Kurds, again, better them than us. Russia will side with Syria if it came down to it.
Eta: Damnit I still made a long post
This post was edited on 10/17/19 at 8:17 am
Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:17 am to SlowFlowPro
That avatar is sweet.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:18 am to pwejr88
I need clarification on our troop removal. Did we only have 25-28 soldiers there? Seriously I know our guys are badass but what exactly was their mission and what army could they stop?
Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:22 am to Oddibe
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I need clarification on our troop removal. Did we only have 25-28 soldiers there? Seriously I know our guys are badass but what exactly was their mission and what army could they stop?
In the danger zone, there was no mission. Other than doing patrols along the border. They weren’t there to prevent a Turkish attack, Turkey has already been attacking the Kurds. Nobody will respond to my statement about that, it gets ignored every time. Any other president in history who decides to move 50 troops out of a bad area it wouldn’t have made the first bit of news.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:24 am to pwejr88
OP not a single person on TD cares about the Syrian Kurds, it’s all fake. I bumped 3 threads last night about Turkey soldiers invading Kurdish land in Syria from early 2018, nobody gave a shite back then, 2 of the threads had only a couple replies. Nobody cared then and they don’t care now.
ETA: I shouldn’t say don’t care, I’m talking don’t care near as much as letting on the last week or so
ETA 2: Those 3 threads were over several months. Not 20 a day like we see here
ETA: I shouldn’t say don’t care, I’m talking don’t care near as much as letting on the last week or so
ETA 2: Those 3 threads were over several months. Not 20 a day like we see here
This post was edited on 10/17/19 at 8:26 am
Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:35 am to pwejr88
I just read this:
granted it is a vox article
Decent "facts" and easy to see through the Vox slant.
US pulled the 50 troops they had in the area.
Kurds are a nation-less Ethnic group and set up bordering Turkey.
We and other EU countries supporting the Kurds only to fight ISIS.
Turkey wants buffer zone to keep Kurds away and now using military to get that because our 50 troops are gone.
Guess who stepped in to help Syrian Kurds. The Syrian Army.
Dims say mass prison breaks of ISIS fighters will occur (which our 50 troops were stopping of course).
After reading. Support the pull out even more.
granted it is a vox article
Decent "facts" and easy to see through the Vox slant.
US pulled the 50 troops they had in the area.
quote:
Experts have long called the US-Kurdish partnership a “ticking time bomb.” That bomb finally went off, quickly and decisively, after President Donald Trump spoke on the phone with Erdogan last Sunday. Shortly after, Trump ordered the withdrawal of the 50 or so American troops still in northeastern Syria, clearing the way for a Turkish invasion and leaving Kurdish forces and thousands of civilians at risk.
Kurds are a nation-less Ethnic group and set up bordering Turkey.
We and other EU countries supporting the Kurds only to fight ISIS.
Turkey wants buffer zone to keep Kurds away and now using military to get that because our 50 troops are gone.
Guess who stepped in to help Syrian Kurds. The Syrian Army.
Dims say mass prison breaks of ISIS fighters will occur (which our 50 troops were stopping of course).
After reading. Support the pull out even more.
This post was edited on 10/17/19 at 8:36 am
Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Turkey is a NATO ally so any attack on Turkey is an attack on US soil, effectively
One thing this whole situation shows is how stupid and ineffective NATO is given the global socio-political climate of today's world.
I mean why aren't the other NATO members clamoring to send troops to Syria to stop Turkey......because they could give less of a shite about it than Trump does. They will still say the US should do something though.
It's utter bullshite.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:39 am to LSU316
Well, Turkey is a member of NATO, so......
Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:40 am to pwejr88
these are not casual run of the mill kurds that the turks are hammering.
the pkk are an aggressively militant communist party. more should be made of that and trump finally pointed to it yesterday, frick them to be honest they played with the bull and are getting the horns.
the pkk are an aggressively militant communist party. more should be made of that and trump finally pointed to it yesterday, frick them to be honest they played with the bull and are getting the horns.
This post was edited on 10/17/19 at 8:42 am
Posted on 10/17/19 at 8:51 am to BuckyCheese
quote:
Well, Turkey is a member of NATO, so......
Damn straight. What do these Dems expect us to do? Attack another NATO member?
Posted on 10/17/19 at 9:05 am to pwejr88
Basically the Turks are going after a couple left-wing terrorist groups, mainly the PKK. They have been causing problems for the Turks for a long time
I know, its Wiki but you can get some basic information.
PKK
That whole area is a convoluted mess and has been for thousands of years and will continue to be.
I know, its Wiki but you can get some basic information.
PKK
That whole area is a convoluted mess and has been for thousands of years and will continue to be.
Posted on 10/17/19 at 9:23 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:revised to be a bit more objective
the kurds are (an ethnic group) ... who live in Syria, Iraq, Turkey, etc.
(At some points in history, the Kurds have had their own nation-state. At other times, they have not. The Brits promised a Kurdish nation-state as part of the Ottoman breakup, but they reneged on that promise. Currently, the Kurds do not have a recognized nation-state, though they DO have a reasonably-autonomous region in Iraq (as a result of Gulf War) and they DID establish something vaguely similar in parts of Northern Syria as a result of that country’s civil war.)
(In Turkey, one Kurdish faction is seen as a terrorist group ... analogous to the IRA in Ireland ... and those folks have been target of the Turkish government, which also claims that these folks get support from Kurds in Iraq and Syria.)
the kurds help the US when we are around their area b/c they hate anyone we're there to kill (due to the above)
the kurds want their own state (again), which is (unlikely) b/c it would take the agreement of Iraq, Iran, Turkey, Syria, and other countries ....
Syria is basically over so we are pulling back, which leaves the kurds open to attack from Turkey ..., who hates the Kurds (and who has always wanted to attack Kurds outside own borders but has been unable to do so until now)
Turkey is a NATO ally so any attack on Turkey is an attack on US soil, effectively. (By this logic, the US should support military attacks by Spain upon Basque separatists in France and upon Catalan separatists in Italy, because terrorists associated with each group have engaged in terrorist attacks in Spain at some point.)
...
This post was edited on 10/17/19 at 10:00 am
Posted on 10/17/19 at 9:26 am to AggieHank86
quote:
revised to be a bit more objective
Unfortunately you made it less objective and literally made stuff up
Posted on 10/17/19 at 9:28 am to windshieldman
quote:Please elaborate
Unfortunately you made it less objective and literally made stuff up
This post was edited on 10/17/19 at 9:29 am
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