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re: Tulsi Gabbard has fired the director of the National Intelligence Council, Mike Collins
Posted on 5/15/25 at 6:33 am to tide06
Posted on 5/15/25 at 6:33 am to tide06
quote:This started with Allen Dulles and the very origins of the CIA. Dulles believed the governance of the country couldn't be left to the masses and needed to be managed by the 'elites'.
The problem starts with the fact that they view themselves and act as an independent agency above the law and beyond the oversight of the public and our elected officials.
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Posted on 5/15/25 at 6:34 am to TigerIron
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The pattern being that the MIC will repeatedly go to any length to undermine the elected president and his policy goals?
Why would the MIC ever downplay a conflict with a foreign nation, especially a potential "invasion"?
The MIC's job is to create all sorts of threats from other countries to justify their existence and operations in those countries.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 6:36 am to boosiebadazz
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Write the reports to back me or GTFO, loser!
I’m still waiting for you to publicly accuse Lin Wood of being a pedo (like you said you would do, because you believe that people falsely accused of such things just simply ignore such accusations.).
Get back to me when you follow up on your PUBLIC accusation.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 6:37 am to IvoryBillMatt
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95% of the people they deported under the AEA could have just as easily been deported through regular procedures. The bottleneck is the lack of Immigration Judges to hear cases.
Correct. I literally told MAGA people they needed more immigration judges/courts for this policy to work dozens of times leading up to the election.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 6:40 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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No one is saying that. Maduro allowed TdA members to be released or not prosecuted if they went to the US. The Venezuelan government does not have to "run" TdA in order to direct the invasion. It's not as complex as you are making it out to be.
It gets that complicated when you're analyzing the behavior and the AEA
Posted on 5/15/25 at 6:45 am to jimmy the leg
Jesus Christ that may be the most ankle-bitingest thing I’ve ever read here
Posted on 5/15/25 at 6:56 am to boosiebadazz
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Jesus Christ that may be the most ankle-bitingest thing I’ve ever read here
So you aren’t going to follow through…got it.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 6:59 am to IvoryBillMatt
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95% of the people they deported under the AEA could have just as easily been deported through regular procedures. The bottleneck is the lack of Immigration Judges to hear cases.
By design.
Overwhelm the system, and 95% of the invaders disappear into sanctuary cities (at least initially) never to be found again (until they vote Dem).
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:04 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You aren't that naive. Trump is not a reliable MIC asset. More importantly, he's not a controllable MIC asset. The play here is against Trump.
Why would the MIC ever downplay a conflict with a foreign nation, especially a potential "invasion"?
Trump is pushing against war. He's pushing for Ukraine-Russia peace. He's pushing for peace with Iran. He's pushing for peace in Gaza. Meanwhile, despite the TdA invasion, he's not looking to use it to start a war in Venezuela. So the MIC doesn't even have a military conflict to "downplay." Trump is a MIC problem.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:08 am to jimmy the leg
I barely remember what you’re referencing. It’s was more important to you than it is to me.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:09 am to NC_Tigah
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You aren't that naive. Trump is not a reliable MIC asset. More importantly, he's not a controllable MIC asset. The play here is against Trump.
I'm responding to the argument.
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Trump is pushing against war.
By trying to create new foreign enemies "invading" the US?
And being mad when the MIC downplays this invasion (which would be an actual "push against" conflict)?
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Meanwhile, despite the TdA invasion, he's not looking to use it to start a war in Venezuela. So the MIC doesn't even have a military conflict to "downplay."
Uh...the highly speculative "TDA invasion" is being downplayed by the MIC, per his theory (which makes no sense)
The Trump admin is the one who made this a purported military conflict, mind you.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:12 am to SlowFlowPro
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The pattern being that the MIC will repeatedly go to any length to undermine the elected president and his policy goals?
quote:good point.
Why would the MIC ever downplay a conflict with a foreign nation, especially a potential "invasion"?
The MIC's job is to create all sorts of threats from other countries to justify their existence and operations in those countries.
So not the MIC, it is just run of the mill politics unfortunately using leaks and spin with the alliance between anti-MAGA/AF insiders and a compliant anti-Trump media.
The fact that it is leaks from within, in this case, the NSC (supposedly classified/secure) is the icing on the top.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:17 am to tide06
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That’s not at all the problem with the CIA and no one believes that position to be the truth.
Their point is that the reason you get bad intel that Russia has been on the verge of collapse for three years and Iraq has WMD is because the intel is cooked/shaped for the bosses.
This post was edited on 5/15/25 at 7:18 am
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:21 am to Bunk Moreland
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The issues in this thread don't necessarily pertain to CIA, but the question here for me is, are these NIC or NSC guys who are telling the administration that Venezuela is not directing an invasion: (a) realists fighting an out of control delusional administration; or (b) rogue, deep state agents who are opposing a populist president at any cost? I really have no idea.
Neither does anybody on this forum. The intel community blew its credibility as effectively as the medical establishment, and it's just as likely they lied for political reasons as it is that Trump fired them for political reasons.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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By trying to create new foreign enemies "invading" the US?
You really believe that by Trump declaring TdA as terrorist will be used as an excuse to promote conflict with Venezuela so he can feed the MIC?
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:34 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Your argument is naive. You aren't. The differential is large enough to render your argument obviously disingenuous.
You aren't that naive. Trump is not a reliable MIC asset. More importantly, he's not a controllable MIC asset. The play here is against Trump.
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I'm responding to the argument.
quote:Not in MIC terms.
The Trump admin is the one who made this a purported military conflict, mind you.
This post was edited on 5/15/25 at 7:35 am
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:38 am to IvoryBillMatt
Always amazes me the hypocrisy of Trump supporters and conservatives in general.
They lash out at the liberals and democrats for politicizing everything only to turn around and politicize everything themselves.
We are so fricked in this country with people ok both sides ruining everything for those of us in the middle.
Trump and his regime are as bad as Biden, which I never thought possible, but here we are.
They lash out at the liberals and democrats for politicizing everything only to turn around and politicize everything themselves.
We are so fricked in this country with people ok both sides ruining everything for those of us in the middle.
Trump and his regime are as bad as Biden, which I never thought possible, but here we are.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:55 am to John Barron
Yikes. We’re losing a lot of experience intelligence and cyber intelligence people with these firings. It’s concerning because it’s probably something as simple as the intelligence contradicting Trump. I don’t think this is good policy
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:58 am to Geauxgurt
Anyone that trusts any portion of any government gets what they deserve.
Posted on 5/15/25 at 7:59 am to Geauxgurt
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Trump and his regime are as bad as Biden,
You went full retard, and I say that as somebody who thinks there's a 50-50 chance that Trump is wrong here.
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