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re: Tucker says Jan 6 committee wants to abolish Electoral College and change voting laws.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 1:59 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
Posted on 6/7/22 at 1:59 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
What’s fair about an EC vote in Florida representing almost 5x as many people as one in Wyoming?
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Posted on 6/7/22 at 2:08 pm to xxTIMMYxx
Completely collapsed!
Nancy, calm down.
Nancy, calm down.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 2:10 pm to SammyTiger
Since we're not a democracy (a word that was blasphemous and an epithet worthy of demanding a duel in the FF times), it matters not. The idea behind the EC was that the President- elect would be chosen by the majority of the states, not the people. Remember, the Supreme Court has held that you do not have a Constitutional right to vote in a Federal election.
And if you want fair, go find somewhere that puts a ribbon on a pig.
And if you want fair, go find somewhere that puts a ribbon on a pig.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 2:12 pm to Froman
I wish all elected offices were by number of precincts won, not number of total votes.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 3:58 pm to Floyd Dawg
So Jimmy is saying the EC is the only fair way and your argument is that it’s a good thing that it’s not fair because the FF didn’t want people deciding things.
Which is why the constitution status with We the States
Which is why the constitution status with We the States
Posted on 6/7/22 at 4:06 pm to SammyTiger
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Why does the EC make us a better nation?
Because if the EC didn't exist, 6 cities would control the country. That's all any politician would campaign to, and the entirety of public policy would be drafted based on those cities.
The EC means every state matters.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 4:18 pm to VADawg
It would mean they COULD but the practically won’t. It also mathematically isn’t true.
NYC metro has 20 million people. 6 NYCs would only be 120 million which isn’t a majority, and there aren’t 6 NYCs.
Just like under the current system you can win 11 states by 1 vote and lose 100% of every other state And become president.
It doesn’t happen but it’s an even more
Absurd possibility.
As to campaigning, how many states really
Matter in an general election?
If you’re not a swing state now you don’t get any love.
NYC metro has 20 million people. 6 NYCs would only be 120 million which isn’t a majority, and there aren’t 6 NYCs.
Just like under the current system you can win 11 states by 1 vote and lose 100% of every other state And become president.
It doesn’t happen but it’s an even more
Absurd possibility.
As to campaigning, how many states really
Matter in an general election?
If you’re not a swing state now you don’t get any love.
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 4:27 pm
Posted on 6/7/22 at 4:22 pm to VADawg
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Because if the EC didn't exist, 6 cities would control the country. That's all any politician would campaign to, and the entirety of public policy would be drafted based on those cities.
The EC means every state matters.
Not necessarily.
Realize this- in the 2020 campaign, Trump spent not one single penny campaigning in his home state of New York. Not one campaign ad, not one billboard, nothing. Because he knew it was going to go blue no matter what, so he focused resources on states where he could win. Now imagine if there was no EC, and every individual vote actually mattered, regardless of where it was cast from. You'd have seen rallies and actual campaigning in New York and California, and he would have gotten more votes in those states as a result.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 4:24 pm to SammyTiger
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As to campaigning, how many states really
Matter in an general election?
If you’re not a swing state now you don’t get any love.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 4:27 pm to deeprig9
Another amazing byproduct of the EC.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 4:27 pm to deeprig9
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You'd have seen rallies and actual campaigning in New York and California, and he would have gotten more votes in those states as a result.
If you trust in the integrity of the election process...probably.
However, when only a drivers license is required to vote, and the Democrat at the DMV determines your “citizenship,” California will be blue as long as they are allowed to utilize this process.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 4:40 pm to SammyTiger
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It’s how a conversation about whether the EC aid a good thing or not works.
Okay, and we have a real nice, productive, improving run in this country that says the founding fathers set us up pretty well, and that includes the EC.
What's your argument that the EC has been harmful?
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Shouldn’t people vote and not cities and states?
Again, you wonder why people call you retarded.
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What’s fair about an EC vote in Florida representing almost 5x as many people as one in Wyoming?
I think it's fair. I gather you don't. I can live with that.
Question for you - do you think it's "fair" that New Jersey would have about 15x more the say about farm/farmland policy than Wyoming? How many acres are farmed in NJ?
Posted on 6/7/22 at 4:41 pm to L1C4
That sounds like bullshite.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 5:37 pm to David_DJS
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Okay, and we have a real nice, productive, improving run in this country that says the founding fathers set us up pretty well, and that includes the EC. What's your argument that the EC has been harmful?
W and multiple trillion dollar wars and a recession
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Question for you - do you think it's "fair" that New Jersey would have about 15x more the say about farm/farmland policy than Wyoming? How many acres are farmed in NJ?
They would have equal say. 1 farmer would have 1 vote.
Also its over 700k acres. Now do California
And there is plenty of other things going on Unrelated to farming.
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 6/7/22 at 7:29 pm to SammyTiger
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W and multiple trillion dollar wars and a recession
As bad as W was, things would have been worse with Al Gore. And as much as you want to whine about W, without the EC we would have had a president Hillary and the disaster that would have surely ensued.
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They would have equal say. 1 farmer would have 1 vote.
I was about to type "don't play dumb" but I'm not sure you're playing. You may be this obtuse.
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Also its over 700k acres
Yep, and Wyoming has over 30 million. The Dakotas have 80 million between them. 60 million in Montana. That's about 170 million acres of farmland in just four states that would fall under the control of moronic urbanites that have brought us food shortages in the wealthiest, fattest country the world has ever seen.
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Now do California
California has slightly less farmland than South Dakota.
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And there is plenty of other things going on Unrelated to farming.
There sure is. There's mining, oil production, power generation, automobile manufacturing, banking, all sorts of things.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 7:32 pm to AUHighPlainsDrifter
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Wow! 360 down votes. That IS impressive!
Over 4 large...very impressive
Posted on 6/7/22 at 7:37 pm to David_DJS
W is about as bad as you can be.
Only 1 system gives individuals MORE of a day than another individual.
New Jersey would have 15x the day it would just have 15x the voters.
Or not.1. Not every metro area votes a block step as you think.
They still have way more votes than Wyoming it’s just disproportionate representation andni harp on Wyoming but Vermont Maine and other small New England states get it too.
quote:
I was about to type "don't play dumb" but I'm not sure you're playing. You may be this obtuse.
Only 1 system gives individuals MORE of a day than another individual.
New Jersey would have 15x the day it would just have 15x the voters.
quote:
Yep, and Wyoming has over 30 million. The Dakotas have 80 million between them. 60 million in Montana. That's about 170 million acres of farmland in just four states that would fall under the control of moronic urbanites that have brought us food shortages in the wealthiest, fattest country the world has ever seen.
Or not.1. Not every metro area votes a block step as you think.
They still have way more votes than Wyoming it’s just disproportionate representation andni harp on Wyoming but Vermont Maine and other small New England states get it too.
This post was edited on 6/7/22 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 6/7/22 at 7:49 pm to Froman
You moronic frick...you know better or you should.
The electoral college creates equity between the states.
Even a prog piece of shite like yourself "knows" this you disingenuous frick.
The electoral college creates equity between the states.
Even a prog piece of shite like yourself "knows" this you disingenuous frick.
Posted on 6/7/22 at 8:06 pm to SammyTiger
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Only 1 system gives individuals MORE of a day than another individual.
Well, yeah - the better system does that.
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Not every metro area votes a block step as you think.
Block step?
Anyway, name the largest American city that is "conservative" like NYC, Chicago, LA, Houston, and Philly are "liberal".
Posted on 6/7/22 at 8:06 pm to Houag80
Tell me why I should Care about equity between states more than equity between citizens?
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