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re: Tucker: Wuhan Virus pandemic likely originated from a Chinese laboratory
Posted on 4/1/20 at 9:59 am to Volvagia
Posted on 4/1/20 at 9:59 am to Volvagia
quote:No. You are calling bullshite on logic altogether.
I’m just calling bullshite on the train of logic that “Obviously it came from a lab because it came from this particular bat that doesn’t reside within 1000km of Wuhan and that precludes all other reasonable possibilities. ”
It is possible that one of Von Daniken's aliens descended in a UFO and infected a Huanan Market vendor. It's possible a stray pangolin, rabid with corona, snuck up and sneezed pangolin snot on some poor worker there. It's possible a stray bat at the northernmost extent of its range swooped down and randomly bit some unfortunate Chinaman.
It is possible to win the lottery. It is very unlikely.
So instead of conjecture into remote possibilities, let's address probability.
The Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention (WCDCP) is located about a block from the Huanan market. The lab houses coronavirus laden bats for research. Along with China's nearby Virology Institute, it may house the most concentrated coronavirus pools on the planet.
Workers regularly extract bat tissue samples there. By many accounts, WCDCP handling and ID control techniques leave much to be desired. WCDCP workers have apparently come in contact with blood and urine of those bats, repeatedly. 14 day quarantines were associated with those exposures, when they were recognized.
We do know COVID-19 came from somewhere.
Compared with Von Daniken's aliens, or rabid pangolins, or a bat which lost its way in route to Vietnam, an infected WCDCP worker would seem a more likely source.
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:11 am to Volvagia
quote:She lives in Wuhan. She hunted for a CV source for a couple of years. She finally located that source about 900 miles from her home in Wuhan. Perhaps you overlooked that detail?quote:This is never stated or even hinted at. Closest is a statement that she expected it to come to a rural south west.
In a decade and a half, Shi Zhengli ( LINK) has not noted capturing any of her corona infected bats near Wuhan.
quote:She didn't focus her search near Wuhan. That is the point.
But it doesn’t state she didn’t find or even focused her search near Wuhan.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:15 am to FlexDawg
quote:
I officially believe it now. I was at a 6 or 7 but now I’m a 10.
Not sure if I can get on board with the man made part, but the politicians have certainly capitalized on this shite to see how far they could push the limits.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:21 am to Kickadawgitfeelsgood
quote:
Pop up ads for aluminum foil should happen at any time.
im the furthest thing for a conspiracy theorist.
but why dismiss it so quickly just because of your political beliefs, OR because the idea is coming from the right?
20 years ago, if someone told you that a group of people were going to have this elaborate plan to take over a bunch of commercial airplanes and start flying them into random buildings, you probably wouldve laughed and given a snarky comment as well. this world is full of crazy people that do crazy shite.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:29 am to Aubie Spr96
quote:"Man-made" is a Strawman. The salient piece is China collected infected bats and brought them to Wuhan, creating an unnatural concentration of disease.
Not sure if I can get on board with the man made part
Whether they created CV19 de novo, or brought it back from a Kunming cave to be spread among a captive bat population in a Wuhan Research Facility is irrelevant.
That their carelessness has the world on the verge of economic depression, is quite relevant.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:40 am to RollTide1987
quote:
Tucker: Wuhan Virus pandemic likely originated from a Chinese laboratory
KCT: "Self, should I bump my 6-8 weeks old thread where I got excoriated for saying the exact same thing?
Thinking......
KCT: Nah......
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:42 am to the808bass
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I thought it was interesting that many of the workers in the wet market were infected. Which might (or might not suggest) that it may have originated in the community rather the food sold by the wet market.
If I remember correctly, there were initially about 6 initial patients and only one of them was associated with the market in some way. As far as the Wuhan lab, they have a history of working with bat virus and a group at the lab specializes in bat virus. Below is a link to a scientific article (2015) from scientists at the Wuhan lab specifically about modifying a horseshoe bat virus gene to make a virus that is happy when it infects human lung cells.
PNAS.org - Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences
If this is a man-made virus, my concern is what was it modified with and what the long term effects of the virus are. We know that hepatitis can cause cancer of the liver and the monkey virus in the original polio vaccine is blamed for many of the cancers in the US.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:44 am to Volvagia
quote:
The paper you linked involved zero work within a coronavirus.
Title of the article:
"Difference in Receptor Usage between Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) Coronavirus and SARS-Like Coronavirus of Bat Origin"
Excerpt from the article:
the ACE2-binding activity of SL-CoVs was easily acquired by the replacement of a relatively small sequence segment of the S protein from the SARS-CoV S sequence
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:46 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:47 am to RollTide1987
The show Truth Underground with its local feed here on WGSO on Wednesday nights has been ahead of this "new" premise for some time.
A show out of Minnesota hosted by Jim Rivas and the liberal Steve Olson present for "balance."
Two weeks ago they had a caller identifying himself as a Bio-medical Engineer who explained that this is not a characteristically "flu" virus.
He said this is a corona virus that's been spliced with an artificial gene.
It attaches itself to the epithelium/epithelial of the lungs making it particularly virulent and devastating to those with existing medical issues.
He spoke with a heavy accent not from the Orient.
A show out of Minnesota hosted by Jim Rivas and the liberal Steve Olson present for "balance."
Two weeks ago they had a caller identifying himself as a Bio-medical Engineer who explained that this is not a characteristically "flu" virus.
He said this is a corona virus that's been spliced with an artificial gene.
It attaches itself to the epithelium/epithelial of the lungs making it particularly virulent and devastating to those with existing medical issues.
He spoke with a heavy accent not from the Orient.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:48 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
She lives in Wuhan. She hunted for a CV source for a couple of years. She finally located that source about 900 miles from her home in Wuhan. Perhaps you overlooked that detail?
Her narrative of the search began in 2004. She found leads to a CV source eight months later when she started running AB tests.
And found the “motherlode” in 2013 based off those findings.
And yet you refer to “finally found” and “sixteen years” as if she didn’t get leads in your first year and found a source inside of seven/eight.
Did you overlook that detail?
Nothing to indicate her search started in Wuhan and radiated outward like you suggest. Her lab was merely based there. She started her search hundreds of kilometers away.
Not one but two more lengthy word posts without providing a basis of horseshoe bats spreading it directly to humans, no intermediate
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 11:39 am
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:51 am to LakeCharles
I watched a video yesterday where a guy claims that the record has since been taken down , but that when he saw the entire genome for the SARS COV 2 , it had an identical copy and pasted segment of the HIV genome. Not that it causes HIV or anything but for easier infecting or something like that. If you believe that, then you believe it was scientific research that either got taken over and directed to nefarious research or that it was never purely scientific and that it was always a weapon.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:02 am to Volvagia
quote:
They could have simply copied the S proteins from SARS and gotten a far more lethal virus.
From Camden's article
the ACE2-binding activity of SL-CoVs was easily acquired by the replacement of a relatively small sequence segment of the S protein from the SARS-CoV S sequence
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:04 am to Lsut81
quote:No one has identified the vector with certainty. Carl Tuckerson, as usual, is pulling this nonsense from his arse.
So what happened to it transferring to a pangolin and being ingested that way?
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 11:06 am
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:28 am to Tigers0891
This video?
youtube
web site - the-studio-reykjavik.com
I have looked at the guy's web site and he has posted some medical info on unrelated issues that look legitimate and his credentials and job history are interesting in support of this being an interest and that he has the mental HP to make this evaluation - BUT, there is something about his presentation that does not come across in the right way. Too much of a push to convince the listener rather than a presentation of evidence.
youtube
web site - the-studio-reykjavik.com
I have looked at the guy's web site and he has posted some medical info on unrelated issues that look legitimate and his credentials and job history are interesting in support of this being an interest and that he has the mental HP to make this evaluation - BUT, there is something about his presentation that does not come across in the right way. Too much of a push to convince the listener rather than a presentation of evidence.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 11:58 am
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:28 am to Volvagia
quote:Near Wuhan? No. Strangely enough instead those AB leads focused her search nearly 1000 miles away.
She found leads to a CV source eight months later when she started running AB tests.
quote:Again, why? Why would she search hundreds of miles away if coronaladen bats were inhabiting locations in the Wuhan surrounds? She's collected bats from the Wuhan region. If an infected bat population was found in close association with a population center the size of NYC, wouldn't she be desperate to study those strains? Of course she would.
She started her search hundreds of kilometers away.
quote:I have no idea what "sixteen years" refers to. Did I misstate something? or are you misquoting.
And yet you refer to “finally found” and “sixteen years”
quote:Her search went where ABs led. Her AB trek did not lead to Nepal. It did not lead to Wuhan. It led to Southern China.
Nothing to indicate her search started in Wuhan and radiated outward like you suggest.
What is unclear about that?
Yet now, the highest concentration of coronavirus in China is no longer in those South China caves.
Instead, the highest concentration of coronavirus in China is contained in a couple of facilities in Wuhan. Yet, when we see a subsequent COVID-19 outbreak in Wuhan, you seriously want to attribute it to a rabid pangolin?
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 11:58 am
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:31 am to KCT
quote:Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing for weeks but I didn't feel like getting called a conspiracy theorist for several pages.
KCT: "Self, should I bump my 6-8 weeks old thread where I got excoriated for saying the exact same thing?
Thinking......
KCT: Nah......
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:40 am to CrimsonTideMD
quote:
Excerpt from the article:
the ACE2-binding activity of SL-CoVs was easily acquired by the replacement of a relatively small sequence segment of the S protein from the SARS-CoV S sequence
The key world is “within”
They generated a non infectious single-generation pseudo virus containing coronavirus genes/expressed protein.
They didn’t make an altered coronavirus.
And the S protein used here is actually more infectious, pathogenic, and all around effective than the one present in COVID-19 infection
It’s not the same.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 11:45 am
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:55 am to G The Tiger Fan
quote:
Yeah, I've been thinking the same thing for weeks but I didn't feel like getting called a conspiracy theorist for several pages.
I gave up a couple of weeks ago (have been trying for at least 6 weeks) to get people to pay attention to this and take some precautions. But, I am told it is just the flu. Whatever. My wife and I have been social distancing as much as possible and we can lock the doors for 6 months if we need to.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 1:12 pm to Volvagia
quote:
The key world is “within”
IMhO I consider constructing/altering the coronavirus plasmid DNA as "work within coronavirus" in a general sense.
But I get what youre saying in that they made an altered pseudovirus.
The point remains though, if they can make an altered pseudovirus, they can make an altered coronavirus.
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