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re: Trumps truth social post about Iran
Posted on 5/23/26 at 6:44 pm to Indefatigable
Posted on 5/23/26 at 6:44 pm to Indefatigable
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What’s your take then?
We objectively did not do it, are you saying that we just chose not to? Because from a prestige and world opinion standpoint, that’s almost as bad as not being able to.
He has this weird theory where this was to expose Europe as cucks who can't open the SOH, even though they weren't involved in this war, and that this isn't a deal and is just a ceasefire buying time so we can REALLY attack after midterms.
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Posted on 5/23/26 at 6:45 pm to NC_Tigah
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What do we get (demonstrate) by restraining exactly as we've done?
Nothing, that I’m aware of.
Posted on 5/23/26 at 6:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
Right . . . and your logic is, because we didn't do a thing, we can't do a thing. The simple counter to that is, Tehran isn't under a mushroom cloud, but it could be about 25 minutes from now.
Posted on 5/23/26 at 6:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
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He has this weird theory where this was to expose Europe as cucks who can't open the SOH, even though they weren't involved in this war, and that this isn't a deal and is just a ceasefire buying time so we can REALLY attack after midterms.
The “Europe is so weak, look how they can’t do anything” doesn’t hold much with me. They weren’t consulted beforehand, weren’t on board with it when it started and, at least publicly were told “we got this, don’t worry,” until it was obvious that we didn’t.
The notion that Europe had any responsibility to do anything here has always been super weak. This isn’t Europe’s war. We made it a problem for Europe.
Posted on 5/23/26 at 6:48 pm to jawnybnsc
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and your logic is, because we didn't do a thing, we can't do a thing.
My theory is because we can't open the straight we're taking a bad deal that emboldens Iran and strengthens China.
If we can open the strait, why would we ever agree to that deal?
Posted on 5/23/26 at 6:49 pm to Indefatigable
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The notion that Europe had any responsibility to do anything here has always been super weak. This isn’t Europe’s war. We made it a problem for Europe.
Correct, but that cope-spin is all he has, other than this real war that's coming after midterms
Posted on 5/23/26 at 6:50 pm to Indefatigable
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at least publicly were told “we got this, don’t worry,” ‘
Nah. I understand why you embellish your position though - it’ll blow away in the wind if it ain’t given a little extra weight.
Posted on 5/23/26 at 6:51 pm to lsuguy84
So you agree with Pompeo?
Some idiot posted in this thread Trump was TACO chicken.
Is this the talking point posture to peace? Or are the nuke Iran-dont end it comments being said....Because it puts a stop to the Tucker psyop of divide bitching about the Jews?
Does Carlson now agree with whom he loathes now, Pompeo?
Some idiot posted in this thread Trump was TACO chicken.
Is this the talking point posture to peace? Or are the nuke Iran-dont end it comments being said....Because it puts a stop to the Tucker psyop of divide bitching about the Jews?
Does Carlson now agree with whom he loathes now, Pompeo?
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Posted on 5/23/26 at 6:54 pm to davyjones
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Nah. I understand why you embellish your position though - it’ll blow away in the wind if it ain’t given a little extra weight.
When this first started, did we not proclaim that the Strait was open and would remain open?
Posted on 5/23/26 at 6:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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My theory is because we can't open the straight we're taking a bad deal that emboldens Iran and strengthens China.
We understand your theory. What you're not understanding is that your theory is busted. It's based on lots of false assumptions and on no real knowledge of what has been negotiated, or on the strategy for managing the situation from now forward.
Posted on 5/23/26 at 6:58 pm to SlowFlowPro
Wow what a detailed and well thought out response. You are a genius!
Posted on 5/23/26 at 7:03 pm to jawnybnsc
You realize we escorted ... checks notes ... TWO ships through the strait before calling off that little project.
Two.
Two.
Posted on 5/23/26 at 7:09 pm to exiledhogfan
And minimal common sense should or would lead you to the conclusion that clearly there’s quite a bit we don’t know, information we would technically need in order to form a reasonably informed position or opinion on the specific matter you’re referring to. Same goes for, well, pretty much everything we talk about. But that ain’t stopping oodles of people from going for it anyway, who needs to be informed??
This post was edited on 5/23/26 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 5/23/26 at 7:13 pm to Indefatigable
quote:See?
Nothing, that I’m aware of.
I find that fascinating.
We entered this term in 2025 with France, the UK, Spain, Germany, all implying they could/should deal with the US as an equal, whether such dealings related to Ukraine, or NATO as a matter of equivalency, despite wildly asymmetric contributions.
Similarly, China had already announced to Potatobrain that, "We will 'reunite' with Taiwan." By all accounts, Xi fully expected to push that position even further during the Beijing summit with Trump. Then came Venezuela. Then came Iran. Then came a new realization by China. So instead of Xi pushing beyond "We will 'reunite' with Taiwan," instead of Xi reasserting "We will 'reunite' with Taiwan," instead of Xi even touching on "We will 'reunite' with Taiwan," Xi asked Trump "What would you do IF (IF IF IF) we attacked Taiwan?" Considering Xi's previously matter of fact pronouncement to Potatobrain, the Trump engagement was a MAJOR backdown ... to which Trump held cards close, and did not respond.
Yet as we keep our own powder dry in Hormuz, there is not a navy on the planet willing to step involvement
Posted on 5/23/26 at 7:16 pm to NC_Tigah
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Similarly, China had already announced to Potatobrain that, "We will 'reunite' with Taiwan." By all accounts, Xi fully expected to push that position even further during the Beijing summit with Trump. Then came Venezuela. Then came Iran. Then came a new realization by China. So instead of Xi pushing beyond "We will 'reunite' with Taiwan," instead of Xi reasserting "We will 'reunite' with Taiwan," instead of Xi even touching on "We will 'reunite' with Taiwan," Xi asked Trump "What would you do IF (IF IF IF) we attacked Taiwan?" Considering Xi's previously matter of fact pronouncement to Potatobrain, the Trump engagement was a MAJOR backdown ... to which Trump held cards close, and did not respond.
Both sides have always practiced strategic ambiguity. I see no changes whatsoever in Taiwan dialogue, and haven’t in decades.
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We entered this term in 2025 with France, the UK, Spain, Germany, all implying they could/should deal with the US as an equal, whether such dealings related to Ukraine, or NATO as a matter of equivalency, despite wildly asymmetric contributions.
What’s my takeaway supposed to be from this?
Posted on 5/23/26 at 7:19 pm to DeBoar
This board hates peace. Hell I’m tired of paying $4/gal because some middle eastern feud which doesn’t affect us won’t end.
Posted on 5/23/26 at 7:20 pm to LPLGTiger
Yeah, it's weird. Cheer the deal and let's move on.
Posted on 5/23/26 at 7:20 pm to Indefatigable
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When this first started, did we not proclaim that the Strait was open and would remain open?
Well no, I don’t know if I can agree with putting anything in those specific terms. Nobody put anything in those la-de-da terms, knowing full well that (1) there was a significant mine threat and (2) knowing it was about to be an active battlefield.
Posted on 5/23/26 at 7:20 pm to LPLGTiger
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This board hates peace. Hell I’m tired of paying $4/gal because some middle eastern feud which doesn’t affect us won’t end.
I’d have preferred we never did this. But since we did, I’d now prefer that the situation not end up worse than it was when we started.
Posted on 5/23/26 at 7:21 pm to LPLGTiger
Muh “this board”
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