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re: Trump's new "immigration deal" is a huge choke job; giving farm away for little to nothing

Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:00 pm to
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
54852 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:00 pm to
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come March 6th when daca expires start deportation and blame it on the dumbs.
doesn't work like that...

Any deportation is something that Republicans had the power to prevent, and if they let it happen, they're the ones who have power to do it.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:09 pm to
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You're not getting a Mexican-paid wall either.


Yes we are building the wall and Mexico is going to pay for it in the end.

You are stupid if you thought we were going to wait until Mexico pays for the wall before we start building it.

You are even more stupid if you think we are going to ask Mexico to pay for the wall before we started building the wall.

We'll start building the wall first and while we are building it, we will find several ways to make sure Mexico ends up paying for it.
This post was edited on 1/26/18 at 3:10 pm
Posted by GeauxOCDP
Member since Jul 2015
1065 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:13 pm to
So let me get this straight...
It's ok for rich people to give their friends and corporate partners massive tax breaks and further advantage the super rich...
But it is illegals stealing the jobs that Americans won't do, that is affecting your money...

Gimme a fricking break.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:15 pm to
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He'll change his mind again


Trumps everything the Democrats pretended they wanted from the other side for years.

All of his campaign promises were just starting points. In the end, y'all will get a lot of what you want and still feign outrage. It's what democrats do best.
This post was edited on 1/26/18 at 3:24 pm
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:16 pm to
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Any deportation is something that Republicans had the power to prevent, and if they let it happen, they're the ones who have power to do it.


Meh, the Dums just had the opportunity to end the possible deportation of 1.8 million Dreamers and the Dums flat out rejected the proposal.

It will be the fault of the Dums if any Dreamers get deported in the future.
Posted by SoulGlo
Shinin' Through
Member since Dec 2011
17248 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:18 pm to
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quote:
I hope so. I really do.

I've stopped second guessing the man. He just wins every time no matter how crazy his original plan or statement sounds.



I don't trust anything. I am aware that this is a likely possibility, but we have to be ready in case shite hits the fan in negotiations
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:18 pm to
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Any deportation is something that Republicans had the power to prevent, and if they let it happen, they're the ones who have power to do it.


Illegals need to be deported

What you'll end up with is a law that gives them some legal status.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139071 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:20 pm to
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This is not a deal. This is a DACA on steroids with no benefits for Americans and basically a repeat of Reagan's 1986
False.
This is DACAs awarded Green Cards in exchange for tightened immigration, border security, and the wall.
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:22 pm to
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He hasn't. I've watched TRUMP all throughout the election and since he's been president. He's always said he wants a pathway for the Dreamers its just that it has to be tied to The Wall and Border Security.

That's always been his position he hasn't changed people just hear what they want to hear.
So now we're just ignoring and rewriting history to coddle The geotus

I swear y'all are worse than Obama's sheep
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
39945 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:24 pm to
20 year fence on citizenship..period
Posted by EastBankTiger
A little west of Hoover Dam
Member since Dec 2003
21635 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:28 pm to
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Trump supporters need to understand that Trump doesn't bat a thousand and never will.


Since you like baseball analogies, I'll put it this way...NO President comes close to batting 1.000...but unlike his predecessor, so far President Trump is hitting well above the Mendoza Line.
This post was edited on 1/26/18 at 3:30 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139071 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:30 pm to
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So now we're just ignoring and rewriting history to coddle The geotus
As are you.
Here is a little reminder from September.

Remember now?
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:31 pm to
You make sure to tell us when an actual deal is in place
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:31 pm to
That's great NC, truly great.

Are you claiming that's always been his position? Please don't claim that.
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:33 pm to
I don't think there's an "immigration deal" you can get >50% of the House GOP and 9 Dem Senators to agree on. That's just the way things are right now.

You could maybe get a very narrow DACA deal if you toss the amnesty/path to citizenship and toss the changes to legal immigration, and make it something along the lines of indefinite DACA renewal for enforcement-only provisions while kicking everything else down the road.

But the reactions here tell me there's too wide a gulf for anything "comprehensive."
This post was edited on 1/26/18 at 3:34 pm
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
46873 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:34 pm to
Seems like another negotiating tactic. I highly doubt what is revealed there will ever become law.
Posted by LSU90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
701 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:44 pm to
He always said stop the bleeding first
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139071 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 4:19 pm to
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Please don't claim that.

From December 2016 -- Trump on DREAMers: We'll 'work something out'
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
139071 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 4:23 pm to
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But the reactions here tell me there's too wide a gulf for anything "comprehensive."
So if something comprehensive happens, (and as it didn't even when Obama owned a filibuster-proof Congress), you'll give "ArtOfTheDeal" its due?
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 4:24 pm to
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I'm kind of okay with it so long as we really close the door on all future illegals.


This deal really doesn't even do that at all.

It's not even a deal. It's a capitulation.

quote:

he's going to need Dem cooperation on an upcoming infrastructure bill.


Infrastructure isn't shite and only counts for peanuts in the long run.

Immigration is the end all be all and if Trump insists on this proposal that does nothing at all to keep Florida, Georgia and Texas from turning blue, I'm perfectly fine with the status quo being maintained and no Trump cucking out.
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