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re: Trump’s lawyers enter crimes committed by other presidents that were not charged
Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:39 am to Vacherie Saint
Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:39 am to Vacherie Saint
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although libs like you will valiantly try, making the argument that a sitting president asking questions and wanting more scrutiny around a highly suspicious presidential election is somehow a "personal crime" is pretty dumb.
Even Trump's attorney yesterday said his call asking Georgia to find more votes was a private act, not an official one.
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:41 am to Placekicker
This:
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The Supreme Court is not going to get into the debate of what action is “immune” vs what action is “not immune,” the court simply hates that stuff.
This unwillingness to get into the granular debate of statutory interpretation is the same reason why the court will not look at what the executive branch defines as “classified documents” vs “non-classified” documents. Once they open that pandoras’ box there would be a bazillion appeals for SCOTUS writ on the baseline of illegitimately denied FOIA requests. They ain’t going to touch it. Same applies here.
The Supreme Court is going to send this back to the lower DC court and tell them to hash out the issue of “private interest” acts, vs “official” acts. This is the core of the originating issue.
Was President Trump ensuring the integrity of an election outcome he considered sketchy (official act), or was President Trump trying to overturn the election by ensuring election integrity (private interest act).
That’s the question that SCOTUS is going to tell the lower court to battle out, and then the SCOTUS will weigh in if needed. The Supreme Court is going to send this case back down to the lower court for definitions of “official act” -vs- “private interest act” before they will touch the immunity issue.
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:42 am to Lsupimp
Pimp. I've concluded that BamaAtl isn't real.
It's a character someone plays here on TD.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:43 am to VoxDawg
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How was Trump supposed to incite a crowd to overthrow a government HE WAS THE HEAD OF?
I know time is a difficult concept for you to understand, but he was very shortly no longer going to be the head of that government on January 6th.
His insurrection's intention was to keep him in power past the time at which the rightful winner of the election, Joe Biden, was to be sworn in.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 9:47 am to Placekicker
Clinton obstruction of justice and perjury.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:02 am to BamaAtl
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His insurrection's intention was to keep him in power past the time at which the rightful winner of the election, Joe Biden, was to be sworn in.
I'm going to enjoy watching your mental gymnastics when the Ds in charge try desperately this fall to pull every trick out of their bag to retain "control" in DC.
Not the least of which will be attempting to postpone the election in a flailing effort to forestall their removal from power.
Everything they pre-emptively accuse Trump of, they have either already done themselves or will do out of panic.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:03 am to imjustafatkid
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And apparently a bunch of morons want courts to decide what is an official act.
They already do this, just not for the President (yet)
Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:04 am to Vacherie Saint
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although libs like you will valiantly try, making the argument that a sitting president asking questions and wanting more scrutiny around a highly suspicious presidential election is somehow a "personal crime" is pretty dumb.
The DOJ is the investigative arm of the Executive. The AG is the person who performs those direct functions.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:05 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Even Trump's attorney yesterday said his call asking Georgia to find more votes was a private act, not an official one.
I can't imagine why Trump believed that the results in Georgia were bogus...
Loading Twitter Embed....Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:05 am to VoxDawg
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What about the Congressional slush fund to pay off allegations of impropriety?
What does that have to do with the price of tea on Mars?
Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:05 am to BamaAtl
Post election actions can be construed as official and really, there is some precedent for the activities done on behalf aof Trump....see Hawaii in 1960, not exactly the same, but not entirely different either. Plus Trump is POTUS at that point.
His only real exposure is the documents case. Smith is aiming more for proving an Obstruction angle since so much of what actually involves the real documents is really more of a civil matter. Trump acted stupidly in that and deserves some legal grief .
His only real exposure is the documents case. Smith is aiming more for proving an Obstruction angle since so much of what actually involves the real documents is really more of a civil matter. Trump acted stupidly in that and deserves some legal grief .
Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:06 am to VoxDawg
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I can't imagine why Trump believed that the results in Georgia were bogus...
In his official role, having the DOJ/AG investigate is the extent of his authority.
Which did happen.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:08 am to KiwiHead
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His only real exposure is the documents case. Smith is aiming more for proving an Obstruction angle since so much of what actually involves the real documents is really more of a civil matter. Trump acted stupidly in that and deserves some legal grief .
The documents case shouldn't even wade into the waters of immunity since he was in no way the President when the alleged crimes went down.
And yes, the obstruction part of that case is by far the #1 slot on the power rankings.
The immunity should only apply to the DC ("insurrection") case and possibly the GA ("Rico") case. The NY and Florida cases involve allegations of behaviors that occurred while Trump was not President.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:09 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Even Trump's attorney yesterday said his call asking Georgia to find more votes was a private act, not an official one.
If it's a private act, it's protected as free speech. In what universe is asking them to find more votes via recounts and what not illegal?
He didn't say "Please go create more votes." or "Please go change some votes illegally so I get more" or anything like that.
Or is this a case of "Well, we KNEW what me meant. And based on that, he's a criminal. Because we KNEW what he meant."
Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:13 am to MemphisGuy
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If it's a private act, it's protected as free speech.
That's a different argument than what is being discussed.
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In what universe is asking them to find more votes via recounts and what not illegal?
And THAT is a question for a merit's determination, which is yet another, separate argument.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:14 am to GumboPot
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SCOTUS sends the case back down to Chutkan and forces her to have an evidentiary hearing and force her to make a determination between official and private acts.
That seems to be the expert's opinion on this.
IMO I don't think SCOTUS will leave this that open ended. They will give the lower court instructions on determining official vs private acts that should instruct the DOJ on how to handle this in the future while maintain Balance of Powers.
A Trump DOJ may even pursue a SCOTUS ruling after the election in order to 1. further protect Trump, or 2. Go after Biden. Or both.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:26 am to jrodLSUke
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A Trump DOJ may even pursue a SCOTUS ruling after the election in order to 1. further protect Trump, or 2. Go after Biden. Or both.
And this is precisely why the corrupt, illegitimate Biden regime went on the offensive to project crimes they've actually committed on Trump. At best, they can go "See!? Both sides do it!", and more likely claim politically-motivated retaliation when they're prosecuted for real crimes committed.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:27 am to Rebel
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Should this case go through, every ex-president will stand trial.
I doubt that. Too many compromised judges in the legal system, a compromised DOJ, compromised FBI, etc. You could say,"not a perfect legal system" but it would be more accurate to say, "it is an almost perfectly corrupt legal system" Honest judges, prosecutors and federal law enforcement personnel are exceptions. To leftists, truth and the law are not considerations, only power
Posted on 4/26/24 at 10:59 am to VoxDawg
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Everything they pre-emptively accuse Trump of, they have either already done themselves or will do out of panic.
That's both incorrect and a sign that you know you're full of shite.
When was the Democratic insurrection to stop the counting of electoral votes and prevent the peaceful transfer of power in the last 150 years?
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:01 am to KiwiHead
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there is some precedent for the activities done on behalf aof Trump....see Hawaii in 1960
Not analogous - Hawaii had a genuine question about results and both slates were duly certified. No state in 2020 had more than one valid, legal slate.
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