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re: Trump's Emergency bill goes down in Senate
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:34 pm to LSUAlum2001
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:34 pm to LSUAlum2001
quote:
And that, my friends, is why the GOP always loses when it has control. Zero solidarity in the party to get shite done. OTOH, Democrats vote in lock step with what their party overlords demand.
Funny thing is the Democrats say the exact opposite.
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Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:35 pm to tigeraddict
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need 67 to over ride a veto.......
Yep. Nate Silver nailed this one by going 10-13 votes against Trump but no path to the 20 needed for 67. Also, a couple of the Rs that voted "yes" today are already facing significant backlash back home.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:36 pm to LSUAlum2001
quote:
And that, my friends, is why the GOP always loses when it has control. Zero solidarity in the party to get shite done.
It's so funny how many of you don't like autonomy.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:37 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
quote:
See my above post. There is nothing wrong with any of them. It’s a production, it’s a performance, it’s theatrics. None of it’s real.
BS, they voted, it's real, and it's going to get plenty real when Tillis comes up for re-election.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:38 pm to Homesick Tiger
This is the reason nothing gets accomplished in DC. This was nothing but virtue signaling because they know they don't have the numbers to override his veto.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:38 pm to thetigerman
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Well, actually... this will now be tied up in court for a while. And the courts can take these votes into account, and you know they will.
On what grounds? Congress granted him the authority. They voted to block it. It got vetoed. Congress now has the option of overiding his veto, and there are rules in place exactly for that. If they can’t reach the threshold of 67 votes, the bill is dead. That is how our system of govt works. You don’t get to run to the courts every time something passes or doesn’t pass.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:39 pm to tigeraddict
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Rob Portman, R-Ohio
Susan Collins, R-Maine
Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska
Mike Lee, R-Utah
Marco Rubio, R-Fla.
Rand Paul, R-Ky.
Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee
Roy Blunt of Missouri
Susan Collins of Maine
Mike Lee of Utah
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
Rob Portman of Ohio
Mitt Romney of Utah
Marco Rubio of Florida
Patrick J. Toomey of Pennsylvania
Rand Paul of Kentucky
Roger Wicker of Mississippi
Jerry Moran of Kansas
I'm shocked absolutely SHOCKED I tell ya!
Jerry Moran wrote his official explanation in ink!
This post was edited on 3/14/19 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:39 pm to Homesick Tiger
I am sick of the Romney cucks.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:42 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Purely symbolic
Not entirely. The narrative now is that even Trump's own party doesn't support him and that Trump is a tyrant for going against the will of Congress. This will give fuel to people like Ryan and Kasich that might try to primary Trump.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:42 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Uh, yeah you do go to the courts. They get to decide if it’s legal. That’s kinda their job.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:44 pm to LSUAlum2001
quote:
And that, my friends, is why the GOP always loses when it has control. Zero solidarity in the party to get shite done.
Winner winner frickin chicken dinner! This country’s screwed!
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:45 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
quote:Interesting question. The statute requires a vote in each chamber of Congress with regard to a Resolution to override an Emergency Declaration, but it fails to specifically mandate a vote on an override of a Presidential veto. 50 USC 1622(c).
This is nothing more than Cocaine Mitch giving cover to republicans in battleground states. Trump will veto it and Mitch will drive a stake through its heart by making sure no vote to override it comes to the floor.
To the contrary, it seems that
quote:Interesting
the House of Representatives or the Senate complies with the constitutional requirement to “reconsider” by laying the measure on the table (essentially stopping further action on it), referring the bill to committee, postponing consideration to a certain day, or immediately voting on reconsideration (vote on override).
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:46 pm to MrLSU
This is what I have found.
Sens. Mike Lee, R-Utah;
Rob Portman, R-Ohio;
Susan Collins, R-Maine;
Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska;
Marco Rubio, R-Fla.;
Rand Paul, R-Ky.;
Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn.;
Roger Wicker, R-Miss.;
Roy Blunt, R-Mo.;
Jerry Moran, R-Kan.;
Pat Toomey, R-Pa.
Sens. Mike Lee, R-Utah;
Rob Portman, R-Ohio;
Susan Collins, R-Maine;
Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska;
Marco Rubio, R-Fla.;
Rand Paul, R-Ky.;
Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn.;
Roger Wicker, R-Miss.;
Roy Blunt, R-Mo.;
Jerry Moran, R-Kan.;
Pat Toomey, R-Pa.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:49 pm to Homesick Tiger
quote:
12 republicans crossed the aisle and voted with all the Dems.
So yet again the Dems stay in lockstep and it is left up to the Republicans to vote on principles, no matter how misguided those principles are.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:51 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:Vote was mandatory, pursuant to the terms of the NEA. See my post from a few minutes ago.
Smart move on McConnell's behalf. He now has the defectors on record.
The interesting issue is a vote on veto. Assume for the sake of argument that enough Senators indicate a willingness to override the veto. (Yes, unlikely).
Does McConnell prevent a vote, or does he let the vote happen?
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:52 pm to thetigerman
quote:
Uh, yeah you do go to the courts. They get to decide if it’s legal. That’s kinda their job.
What part of Congress granted him the authority do you not understand? The courts don’t get to override Trump’s veto of a bill congress passed. Congress gets to override vetos. They will either get 67 votes and override his veto of the motion or they won’t, in which case the veto stands. Now if Congress wants to go to court and challenge the legal authority they gave to the President to make emergency declarations, go for it.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:53 pm to LSUAlum2001
quote:
why the GOP always loses when it has control. Zero solidarity in the party to get shite done.
A dozen who prefer that congress gets to decide spending bills as per Constitution, not the fuhrer.
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:57 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Stop being obtuse. You know damn well at the very least the state of CA will file for, and very likely receive, an injunction in federal court BECAUSE ITS NOT A frickING EMERGENCY! 
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:58 pm to MrLSU
quote:
Rob Portman, R-Ohio
Susan Collins, R-Maine
Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska
Mike Lee, R-Utah
Marco Rubio, R-Fla.
Rand Paul, R-Ky.
Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah
Lamar Alexander of Tennessee
Roy Blunt of Missouri
Susan Collins of Maine
Mike Lee of Utah
Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
Rob Portman of Ohio
Mitt Romney of Utah
Marco Rubio of Florida
Patrick J. Toomey of Pennsylvania
Rand Paul of Kentucky
Roger Wicker of Mississippi
Jerry Moran of Kansas
Rubio voted twice?
Posted on 3/14/19 at 2:59 pm to TBoy
quote:You have described how things SHOULD be, under the constitutional system for the separation of powers. Unfortunately, Congress ceded much of its authority to the Executive when it passed the NEA. The Courts will eventually decide the constitutionality of Congress having ceded that authority, because we ALL know that this matter will reach SCOTUS with a quickness.quote:Wrong. This is a different kind of issue. Trump is attempting to shift the constitutional balance of power. That's why Republicans voted against the emergency declaration. A President should never have the power to void by executive order a vote by Congress on the exact same issue. Congress just voted on this and Trump asserts that a President has supreme power over Congress.
And that, my friends, is why the GOP always loses when it has control. Zero solidarity in the party to get shite done.
This vote is not about party loyalty.
So, for now, Trump has the shield of apparent statutory authority. Whether he SHOULD decline to exercise that aauthority due to the blatant unconstitutionality of the NEA is a different (and more interesting) question.
quote:
If Congress tells a President that the President can do something unconstitutional, should said President EXERCISE that authority? OR should he decline to do so?
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