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AggieHank86
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Well, actually... this will now be tied up in court for a while. And the courts can take these votes into account, and you know they will.
On what grounds? Congress granted him the authority. They voted to block it. It got vetoed. Congress now has the option of overiding his veto, and there are rules in place exactly for that. If they can’t reach the threshold of 67 votes, the bill is dead. That is how our system of govt works. You don’t get to run to the courts every time something passes or doesn’t pass
This has been addressed MULTIPLE times in the last couple of months.

In very shortened form, there exist the following questions. Is there actually an "emergency," which is a prerequisite for exercising NEA powers? Does construction of a Border Wall fall within the statutory grants of authority in the case of an actual emergency? For instance, is it construction of "roads, lighting and fences," given that Trump has made it VERY clear that a "Wall" and a "fence" are very different things.


Tiger985
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Trump is attempting to shift the constitutional balance of power. That's why Republicans voted against the emergency declaration. A President should never have the power to void by executive order a vote by Congress on the exact same issue. Congress just voted on this and Trump asserts that a President has supreme power over Congress.


Say what?

Who passed the law giving the President authority to declare the emergency?

Research that and get back to me.

The President is exercising the authority the Congress gave to him.

How exactly is Trump shifting power?

Seems like the Congress shifted the power did they not?

If they don't like it, they can take it back.

Congress does it and it's somehow Trump's fault. Priceless.



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Blizzard of Chizz
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BECAUSE ITS NOT A frickING EMERGENCY!



Let’s see, we can declare national emergencies for opioids because junkies are dying but literally hundreds of thousands of people crossing the border isn’t? Get the frick out of here dumbass. We have Democrat’s going back decades calling it a national emergency. We have them on video on the floors of congress taking the exact same fricking position Trump is taking. Just because you don’t like the man in the whitehouse doesn’t negate the urgency of the matter. Orange man bad isn’t a fricking legal argument, so I suggest you Dems go ahead and grab your ankles when you take it to court because Trump has been low key stacking the courts like a mother fricker for the past 2 years. Enjoy him dragging those big orange nuts across your face 1 more time.


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Wrong. This is a different kind of issue. Trump is attempting to shift the constitutional balance of power. That's why Republicans voted against the emergency declaration. A President should never have the power to void by executive order a vote by Congress on the exact same issue. Congress just voted on this and Trump asserts that a President has supreme power over Congress.

This vote is not about party loyalty.


Umm, nope. The Trump admin actually spent the last two weeks trying to build support on the Hill for a bill that would've replaced this one and would've greatly reduced Presidential power to use the NE. That was killed highlighting that today was purely a show vote.


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Dick Leverage
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Locked and loaded to craft nasty email

Scans list waiting to see the trigger

Does not see Isaakson’s name

Stands down



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JuiceTerry
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Chizz is just being obtuse

He knows the ED is going to court


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Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn.;


Already announced his retirement.


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Blizzard of Chizz
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Chizz is just being obtuse

He knows the ED is going to court


Nope, just being real. You fools can take it to court where you will get slapped down again. And sorry, you don’t get to use the courts to override vetos. You will have to challenge the statute that granted him the authority to declare emergency declarations. Good luck getting the courts to agree to be the arbiters of what defines an emergency.


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Loserman
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need 67 to over ride a veto.......


And 2/3rds House

So it would take 8 more Republicans in the Senate

AND

43 More Republicans in the House to override the VETO

IOW the wall is getting built!



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AggieHank86
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Uh, yeah you do go to the courts. They get to decide if it’s legal. That’s kinda their job.
What part of Congress granted him the authority do you not understand? The courts don’t get to override Trump’s veto of a bill congress passed.
Yes. Via the NEA, Congress DID grant certain powers to the Executive. No one asserts otherwise. (Whether that grant was either wise or constitutional is a different question.)

But the Courts DO get to decide whether a given Presidential action falls within the statutory grant of authority.

As a VERY clear and simplified HYPOTHETICAL example, say a POTUS declares an emergency. He clearly has the statutory to build some roads, lighting and fencing on or near the border. The POTUS announces that he is going to use the money to build a moat across southern Arizona. People who do NOT want a moat could clearly file suit, asserting that moat construction is NOT within the authority to build roads, lighting and fencing.


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fencing


Nice let's keep the wall construction going


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AggieHank86
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BECAUSE ITS NOT A frickING EMERGENCY!
Let’s see, we can declare national emergencies for opioids because ...
Did anyone disagree with that "declaration" to an adequate extent to file suit against its implementation in that instance?


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Blizzard of Chizz
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And for another hypothetical, explain to me how opioid abuse constitutes a national emergency but millions of non citizens, crossing illegally into the United States isn’t? Are opioids a national crisis because of the associated health costs? Are there not associated costs with millions of low skilled illegals overwhelming our healthcare and other public resources? Go ahead and make the argument as to how one is an emergency and the other isn’t. At what point does illegal immigration cross the threshold of an emergency? Is it 20 million, 50 million, 100 million? It is outbreak of diseases that have been virtually non existent in this country for decades but are seeing a resurgence because of unvaccinated individuals illegally crossing into this country? Go ahead, define emergency
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HailToTheChiz
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Rob Portman, R-Ohio
Susan Collins, R-Maine
Lisa Murkowski, R-Alaska
Mike Lee, R-Utah
Marco Rubio, R-Fla.
Rand Paul, R-Ky.
Sen. Mitt Romney, R-Utah


Here are your RINOs ladies and gentlemen


AggieHank86
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And for another hypothetical, explain to me how opioid abuse constitutes a national emergency but millions of non citizens, crossing illegally into the United States isn’t?
I never said that opioids are an "emergency." To the contrary, I have said dozens of times that at least 90% of the Emergency Declarations under the NEA wer not justified as being actual "emergencies." Use of the NEA was simply "expedient."

Trump's recent Declaration is just another example in that column. The difference is that there was no real opposition to most of the earlier Declarations. THIS ONE has opposition, so the over-breadth of the NEA (an awful piece of legislation) will FINALLY be addressed by the federal courts.

Is border security an important issue? Of course. Hell, we just had a government shutdown over it. The fact that something is "important" does not mean that it is an "emergency."


EDIT: Did the moat hypo help you grasp the REASON that the federal courts have a role to play here?
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GeorgiaTiger678
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fricking Romney hes such a fricking shite stain. There are no words that properly convey my utter hatred of that a-hole.


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SlapahoeTribe
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re: Trump's Emergency bill goes down in Senate
Confusing thread title. It’s my understanding that the Emergency Declaration is already in place and that Congress can put forward a resolution to stop it; this resolution could be vetoed as with any bill and then could be overridden by a 2/3rds vote.

So are you saying that the vote against Trump’s declaration failed in the Senate, or that it passed which in turn halts Trump’ declaration?



ETA- Answered below.
This post was edited on 3/14 at 3:47 pm


CGSC Lobotomy
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re: Trump's Emergency bill goes down in Senate
It passed to halt it, then was immediately vetoed.


SlapahoeTribe
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Thank you.


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TejasHorn
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Rand Paul, R-Ky.


Not surprised. The thing most despised by a libertarian is a monarchy.


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