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re: Trump’s belief that men can be women is an automatic disqualifier
Posted on 6/25/23 at 9:32 am to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 6/25/23 at 9:32 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:I don’t think you understand what the word “indefensible” means. I’ve spent too many minutes defending the truth against your lies, and you just keep coming back, repeating the same refuted things over and over again, sometimes with a little twist included, but always with falsehood. You don’t care about the truth.
Because what I said is true and indefensible by you.
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Posted on 6/25/23 at 9:35 am to FooManChoo
quote:
FooManChoo vs Squirrelmeister
Young Earther fight!
Posted on 6/25/23 at 9:41 am to AggieHank86
quote:No one believes you.
Because I have posted repeatedly that I oppose it.
You lie, its your duty in life to transition kids.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 9:53 am to RogerTheShrubber
Didn’t stop supporting him when he says he gets to assault your wife
And reaffirms it in a deposition this spring ?
But he likes Bud Lite models sinks him ?
And reaffirms it in a deposition this spring ?
But he likes Bud Lite models sinks him ?
Posted on 6/25/23 at 9:55 am to Powerman
quote:And what would the backlash have been had he sent troops in to squash the BLM and/or ANTIFA "mostly peaceful" riots? If LEOs allowed it, what were his alternatives?
You neglect to admit that the trans movement gained great power while Trump was president. As did other leftist groups.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 10:58 am to Tmcgin
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Didn’t stop supporting him when he says he gets to assault your wife
Basic bitches like you assume everyone here supported Trump.
Basic bitch.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 11:01 am to FooManChoo
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your lies
I just quote straight from the Bible most of the time, and other times I summarize what it literally says. You have a problem with that, which is weird for someone to claim to believe it’s all the inspired word of “God”. You constantly deny the literal words of the stories, such as when David (the king chosen by Yahweh) goes to Philistia to make war on Israel and Judah and while he is there is forced to serve other gods like Dagon. Solomon served other gods. All of Israel served other gods which the story goes is why Yahweh allowed the Assyrians and Babylonians to come whip their asses. You would deny the plain text, and you’d deny those other gods exist, even though Yahweh himself says he’s going to judge and destroy all those other gods.
Go ahead and talk trash about Catholics not being Christian because they don’t follow (your interpretation of) the Bible, while you deny the words of the Bible you claim to believe. A Bible first compiled by Marcion, a heretic who was non trinitarian and who believed the Jewish god was evil, and then edited, redacted, and expanded by the Catholic Church. You don’t even see the irony.
Posted on 6/25/23 at 12:42 pm to Diamondawg
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And what would the backlash have been had he sent troops in to squash the BLM and/or ANTIFA "mostly peaceful" riots?
On CNN, they'd have pilloried him. But then again, they did that for any reason or no reason at all. Trump had nothing to lose w/ regard to the media. Same for he whackjob Leftists that were burning city blocks down, or supporting those that were. But he had a lot to gain/maintain with the rest of us.
Remember the Trump meme that went something like "they're not after me, they're after you, I'm just in the way"? That meme became a joke in 2020.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 9:36 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:You don’t simply quote the Bible; you provide false interpretations of what you quote. You don’t understand the difference between someone worshipping a god that doesn’t exist and worshipping the only God, who does exist, and how that difference is stated in the text. You keep saying the same lies over and over again.
Squirrelmeister
You are also ignorant of history, as demonstrated by your assertion that Marcion “compiled” the Bible.
You are an enemy of the only God, Father, Son, and Spirit, and you must repent and trust in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ before it is too late for you.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 8:24 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
You are also ignorant of history, as demonstrated by your assertion that Marcion “compiled” the Bible.
That Marcion compiled the first Christian canon and published the first Christian Bible is an undisputed fact among biblical scholars.
Just one example:
Vatican records shows they translated Marcion’s Bible (Greek) into Latin
Google it for yourself. Marcion also preserved the original letter to the “Ephesians”. Hint: what we call Ephesians was not originally addressed to the Ephesian church.
If I am the enemy of anything it is ignorance. There’s a word we use in business to describe people such as you. Two words actually. Unconsciously incompetent.
Here’s a quote for you.
2 Samuel 21:3
quote:
Wherefore David said unto the Gibeonites, What shall I do for you? and wherewith shall I make the atonement, that ye may bless the inheritance of the LORD?
Hmm. Inheritance. What could the LORD possibly inherit? Oh yeah he inherited Jacob… from his father God Most High in Deut 32:8-9.
I like the end of 2 Samuel, especially chapter 24. But in chapter 21 he sacrifices 7 sons of Saul by allowing the Gibeonites to crucify them on a mountain cliff. The women have to ward off the buzzards and beasts of the field while they hang there.
2 Samuel 21:9
quote:
And he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them in the hill before the LORD: and they fell all seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest, in the first days, in the beginning of barley harvest.
I ain’t making this this up. It’s right there in the text (KJV).
So on to 2 Samuel 24:18
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And Gad came that day to David and said to him, “Go up, raise an altar to the LORD on the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite.”
So right after the “only God” Yahweh (or Satan) murders 70,000 Israelites because David did exactly what Yahweh commanded (the census), David builds an altar on the barley threshing floor.
Going back to 2 Samuel 22:47
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The LORD lives, and blessed be my rock, and exalted be my God, the rock of my salvation,
Yahweh lives?? What is that all about. Why did “David” write Yahweh lives? Ohhh yeah Yahweh is actually the Canaanite deity “Baal Hadad”. We know this from the Ugaritic library that Baal was a dying and rising god, a god of fertility who provided a bountiful barley harvest, the crop they most valued in the region. There was even a scroll found at ancient Ugarit with El Elyon (god most high) telling Baal Hadad “from now on you will be called YAH!”
You’re going to hate Hosea 2:16
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In that day,” declares the Lord, “you will call me ‘my husband’; you will no longer call me my Baal.
You don’t hate my interpretation. You actually hate the Bible, because it counters your beliefs.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 10:06 pm to Jon Ham
Please don't mention things he has actually said ... just his revisions after someone tells him he just said something stupid again.
Posted on 6/26/23 at 10:13 pm to AggieHank86
quote:
Why do you lie?
This…
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You cite bullshite studies to support cutting of the breasts and dicks of children.
is a fact.
You even (condescendingly) suggested that I didn’t read the study.
Then I nuked your arse.
You have yet to admit that you were all in on that “research.”
Posted on 6/27/23 at 12:26 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:Marcion made a list of what he thought was the canon of Scripture. He didn’t decide Scripture for the church.
That Marcion compiled the first Christian canon and published the first Christian Bible is an undisputed fact among biblical scholars.
What you fail to see is that the Bible wasn’t a closed transmission. It was never only controlled by one person (like Marcion or Constantine) or group (Catholic monks) to be able to be expanded, edited, or redacted in a way that could be hidden from the Church. This is a prime example of your ignorance. You talk like there was one copy of the Bible that was created out of thin air and edited by heretics so that we have no clue what the original even said (the common ignorant assertion).
Textual criticism is a discipline devoted to assembling the 1,200 puzzle pieces to understand the original 1,000 from thousands of copies and partial copies, many of which date back to within a couple of centuries of the originals. That combined with much of the Scriptures being quoted by the early church Fathers gives Christian’s much confidence in the Bible’s transmission, beyond the internal witness of the Spirit, which is our ultimate proof of its truth.
quote:Read the rest of the chapter of Deuteronomy 32, especially verse 6. It says that God (Jehovah) created the Israelites, made them and established them (as a people). How could that be if He merely inherited them from another god? Maybe it’s because Elyon and Jehovah/Yahweh are the same God, as I’ve showed you time and time again. This “inheritance” is a way of God talking about having a special, chosen people for Himself among the nations that have rebelled. He created them. He didn’t inherit them from another creator.
2 Samuel 21:3
Hmm. Inheritance. What could the LORD possibly inherit? Oh yeah he inherited Jacob… from his father God Most High in Deut 32:8-9.
Your refusal to exegete instead of eisegete results in nonsensical interpretations when reading the context.
quote:Why do you used the word “sacrifice” for what happened here? The hangings of Saul’s sons were justice for Saul’s murders of the Gibeonites, who were supposed to be protected by the leaders of Israel going back to the conquering of Canaan. That wasn’t a human sacrifice, if that is what you were implying.
I like the end of 2 Samuel, especially chapter 24. But in chapter 21 he sacrifices 7 sons of Saul by allowing the Gibeonites to crucify them on a mountain cliff. The women have to ward off the buzzards and beasts of the field while they hang there.
2 Samuel 21:9
quote:1) God didn’t command the census. God allowed Satan to tempt David to perform the census. The parallel passage in 1 Chronicles 21 clarifies, just as Satan afflicted Job at God’s allowance.
So on to 2 Samuel 24:18
So right after the “only God” Yahweh (or Satan) murders 70,000 Israelites because David did exactly what Yahweh commanded (the census), David builds an altar on the barley threshing floor.
…
Yahweh lives?? What is that all about. Why did “David” write Yahweh lives? Ohhh yeah Yahweh is actually the Canaanite deity “Baal Hadad”. We know this from the Ugaritic library that Baal was a dying and rising god, a god of fertility who provided a bountiful barley harvest, the crop they most valued in the region. There was even a scroll found at ancient Ugarit with El Elyon (god most high) telling Baal Hadad “from now on you will be called YAH!”
2) God cannot murder. God can do with us however He wants because He created us and His law about murder applies to human interactions with other humans. Also, since we all sin, and sin deserves death, God taking our mortal lives is not murder but the death penalty (justice).
3) 2 Sam. 32 sheds light on why David said He lives, because there is no god like the Lord, Jehovah. The other gods are but lifeless idols that cannot save, as David was saying.
4) Now I see why your Bible interpretation is so bad: you read all other non-biblical sources into the Bible while ignoring what the Bible says about itself. Instead of letting the Bible interpret itself, you assume everything non-biblical must be true and the Bible is false. I wonder why that is.
quote:Why would I hate that verse? I can read it within its context, which is God condemning the people for worshipping false gods (Baals) and then treating Yahweh as if He were just another Baal. It’s plain as day if you just read the rest of the chapter instead of cherry-picking one verse to support your false interpretations.
You’re going to hate Hosea 2:16
quote:No, I hate the lies you call “interpretation”, because it isn’t based on the Bible at all, but cherry-picked verses and words, taken out of context, and interpreted based on extra-biblical sources that you apparently are happy to trust as truth while ignoring the plain readings and clarifications that the Bible, itself, provides. Even a shallow examination of your claims shows that you are wrong.
You don’t hate my interpretation. You actually hate the Bible, because it counters your beliefs
Here is some free advice for you: before you lie again about the Bible, you should at least read verses you are using in their contexts. Most of them are easily understood by reading the chapter they belong in, if not just a few verses surrounding them.
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 8:14 am
Posted on 6/27/23 at 1:23 am to FooManChoo
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I have changed my position and am now convicted that I can only vote for someone who openly professes loyalty to Jesus Christ and lives a life consistent with the gospel of Christ. Unfortunately, I won’t be voting for Trump a third time unless he repents.
This is the “Mike Pence coalition”.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 5:01 am to FooManChoo
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have changed my position and am now convicted that I can only vote for someone who openly professes loyalty to Jesus Christ and lives a life consistent with the gospel of Christ. Unfortunately, I won’t be voting for Trump a third time unless he repents. ETA: This position, by necessity, excludes members of cults and sects that reject the true Gospel Jesus Christ, such as Mormons and Catholics. I recognize this severely limits my involvement in voting.
What you’re hoping for is not going to happen. Less than zero chance. God has turned this nation over to leaders with reprobate minds. We are under Divine Judgment, and there will be no national repentance. This nation is finished.
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:35 pm to FooManChoo
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Marcion made a list of what he thought was the canon of Scripture.
True
quote:
He didn’t decide Scripture for the church.
False. He compiled Paul’s authoritative letters with an already existing Gospel of the Lord. With his apostolikon and evangelikon he included his antithesis which detailed the contradictions of the Old Testament and Paul/Jesus. The church didn’t even have an authoritative canon and had multiple Gospels each with thousands of variations floating around from Spain to Constantinople to Antioch to Alexandria to Arabia and Ethiopia. The church had to respond to Marcion by compiling their own bible with their own edited versions, releasing their lists and scriptures, attacking Marcion’s antithesis, and burning all Marcionite literature.
quote:
Read the rest of the chapter of Deuteronomy 32, especially verse 6. It says that God (Jehovah) created the Israelites, made them and established them (as a people)
From Jacob, Yahweh created the Israelites by nurturing and protecting them and killing them
That conflicts with Genesis 2 but you have to be able to read Genesis chapters 1 and 2 and notice they are two completely separate stories at odds with each other. If you can’t understand that these books are multiple short stories from 1000’s of authors spread apart by 1000 years then we won’t see eye to eye. You can’t comprehend any errors. Jesus says take a staff. Jesus says not to take a staff. You say those are both true, but any sane person can see they conflict.
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Why do you used the word “sacrifice” for what happened here? The hangings of Saul’s sons were justice for Saul’s murders of the Gibeonites
Let’s see. God created a famine. God said there’s blood guilt. They crucify 7 boys / young men “before the lord”. The Lord was satisfied at this shed blood, the death of seven innocent boys. As their bodies decayed on the cliff face, God was satisfied, so then he took action by ending the famine. That’s a sacrifice dude.
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God didn’t command the census. God allowed Satan to tempt David to perform the census. The parallel passage in 1 Chronicles 21 clarifies, just as Satan afflicted Job at God’s allowance.
2 Samuel is clear that God incited David. All that other nonsense you made up. In 1 Chronicles Satan takes the place of Yahweh God. Have you ever read Samuel through Kings, and then Chronicles all the way through? Chronicles is a re-write of Samuel and Kings written 100-200 years later that tried to correct the “errors” of the earlier books. When 2 Samuel was written, it was at a time when Yahweh was considered the only deity. In Isaiah 45:7 written during the same time period, Yahweh creates light and darkness, good and evil. They hadn’t yet adopted the idea of a deity which fights against “God” in a cosmic struggle of good vs evil from the Persians. Later when Chronicles - a new fictive history intended to replace the earlier fictive history of Samuel through Kings - was written, they had already adopted Ahriman ha Satan from Persia to become modern “Satan”. When the Levite who wrote chronicles read that Yahweh incited David to sin, he simply changed the text to say Satan did it.
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God cannot murder. God can do with us however He wants because He created us and His law about murder applies to human interactions with other humans.
Neither can David murder apparently. He became a Philistine raider and raided the clothing, cattle, and metals from Judeans (who presumably were Yahwist) and killed every man woman and child in the process. And Yahweh said everything David ever did was good, except what he did to Uriah the Hittite
1 Samuel 27:8-11 and 1 Kings 15:5 quote:
cherry-picked verses and words
You can tell me this all makes perfect sense…
David is annointed King by Samuel. No one ever finds out about it other than Samuel and David. The (good) spirit of the lord departs from Saul, and an evil spirit from the lord posesses him. He is introduced to David, son of Jesse (1 Sam 16:18) who plays the lyre so that the evil spirit is driven out. Then Saul and David’s brothers go to war with the Philistines and David defeats Goliath. Saul inquires whose son the boy David is (1 Sam 17:56). He had just been introduced in the previous chapter. Then Yahweh possesses Saul some more with evil spirits and proceeds to hurl a spear at David on about 4 occasions. Then in second Samuel the story is totally different - David is old instead of a boy and he goes into battle against the Philistines and Goliath is killed by Elhannan. The Chronicler tries to correct the obvious contradiction by claiming David killed Goliath, and that Elhannan killed Goliath’s brother. None of that actually happened, but even if it did, only one of those stories could be truthful.
Yahweh screwed up Eden. He lied to Adam and set him up for failure. Adam “fell” when he ejected him from the garden in heaven. Then God let his sons rape human women to make the Nephilim which spread evil knowledge to humans. He had to wipe out creation in a flood. Then the only righteous guy he saved was castrated by his son while he was passed out naked and drunk (Greek Chronos did the same to his father in a near identical myth) and so God cursed Canaan to be slaves of his brothers, and condones slavery and so does Jesus.
The people of earth started to build a tower to heaven. Yahweh hadn’t foreseen that. To prevent them from invading the heavens (possibly reaching Eden in heaven and eating from the tree of knowledge and the tree of life and becoming gods?) because “nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them” the gods had to confuse their language and disperse them. “Come let us go down and confuse their language…”. Obviously there’s multiple gods and they are working together. If you don’t want to call them gods, call them Elohim. Or Bene Elohim. Supernatural beings, in heaven, with power over nature and mankind, whether you call them “gods” or not, are gods. Call them angels if you want but their nature is the same.
Yahweh saved the only righteous man in Sodom, Abraham’s nephew Lot. Before he could save them though, Lot offered his two married daughters to a crowd to be gang raped (luckily the crowd was gay). God turned Lot’s wife into a pillar of salt, and then this righteous man proceeds to have sex with his own two daughters. (The Moabites and Ammonites are the bastard inbred offspring of Lot with his daughters
). Boy I tell you God picks the most righteous people. Yahweh hand-picked Saul, David, Solomon, and all the Israelite and Judean kings who all did evil in the sight of the LORD including worshipping foreign gods (gods which you claim don’t exist but the text says otherwise). You’ve got to at least agree that Yahweh is a poor planner and is not omniscient.
This post was edited on 6/27/23 at 5:46 pm
Posted on 6/27/23 at 3:55 pm to Jon Ham
If that trans in the Miss Universe pageant used the women's bathroom, no women would be bothered. If you interacted with it, you would never know it wasn't a natural female.
I'll say this, the ones that actually cut off their dicks I have more tolerance for. I mean, if someone wants me to take them seriously with this trans shite, they need to be committed and cutting off your dick is pretty committed. Lol
I'll say this, the ones that actually cut off their dicks I have more tolerance for. I mean, if someone wants me to take them seriously with this trans shite, they need to be committed and cutting off your dick is pretty committed. Lol
Posted on 6/27/23 at 4:04 pm to FooManChoo
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ETA: This position, by necessity, excludes members of cults and sects that reject the true Gospel Jesus Christ, such as Mormons and Catholics.
The folks that gave you the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. Your anti-Catholic bigotry is duly noted.
Posted on 6/29/23 at 10:11 am to Squirrelmeister
quote:Again, you have no understanding (apparently) of the transmission of the text of the Bible. You make it sound like Marcion had the true text of the NT and that his critics created something else to contradict him. That’s simply impossible given how the Bible was created: the writings were created by apostolic approval to be distributed widely. Each church made their own copies before sending them in to other churches to be read. Because of this, there was no closed control of the text. It’s why we have so many manuscripts that have variations, due to the copying process. Your claims are false. Marcion was more akin to a Gnostic than an orthodox Christian.
False. He compiled Paul’s authoritative letters with an already existing Gospel of the Lord. With his apostolikon and evangelikon he included his antithesis which detailed the contradictions of the Old Testament and Paul/Jesus. The church didn’t even have an authoritative canon and had multiple Gospels each with thousands of variations floating around from Spain to Constantinople to Antioch to Alexandria to Arabia and Ethiopia. The church had to respond to Marcion by compiling their own bible with their own edited versions, releasing their lists and scriptures, attacking Marcion’s antithesis, and burning all Marcionite literature.
quote:Genesis 2 says that Yahweh created all things. He is “Elohim” (God).
From Jacob, Yahweh created the Israelites by nurturing and protecting them and killing them
Yahweh brought Abraham out of a pagan land and promised to make a nation of him. Yahweh called Jacob and created the nation of Israel. He was not given them by another god.
quote:It doesn’t conflict with Genesis 2 and 1 and 2 are not different stories. They are the same story with different levels of detail and focus. Gen. 1 covers all six days of creation and Gen. 2 focuses on on day six only.
That conflicts with Genesis 2 but you have to be able to read Genesis chapters 1 and 2 and notice they are two completely separate stories at odds with each other.
quote:We won’t see eye-to-eye because you don’t see with the eyes of faith. You view the Bible as a man-made book with no more truth than any other book, seeing contradiction where none exists.
If you can’t understand that these books are multiple short stories from 1000’s of authors spread apart by 1000 years then we won’t see eye to eye. You can’t comprehend any errors. Jesus says take a staff. Jesus says not to take a staff. You say those are both true, but any sane person can see they conflict.
quote:God blessing acts of justice is not the same as a sacrifice. That happened several times where evil was punished by entire families being killed.
Let’s see. God created a famine. God said there’s blood guilt. They crucify 7 boys / young men “before the lord”. The Lord was satisfied at this shed blood, the death of seven innocent boys. As their bodies decayed on the cliff face, God was satisfied, so then he took action by ending the famine. That’s a sacrifice dude.
Remember that no one is innocent before God.
quote:God uses means to accomplish His purposes. He does this all throughout the Bible. Since you seem to be unfamiliar with the Bible outside of a few passages you read on anti-Christian websites, you cannot accept this.
2 Samuel is clear that God incited David. All that other nonsense you made up. In 1 Chronicles Satan takes the place of Yahweh God.
quote:I have read them multiple times. You are bringing more conspiracy theories to the discussion that don’t comport with reality but satisfy your hatred of God and detestation of His Word. Every time you spew these lies, I show how you are wrong and you move on to the next lie. Eventually you circle back to the same lies again because you cannot accept that you are wrong, because that would mean you are accountable to a holy God and will suffer for eternity because of your rejection of Him.
Have you ever read Samuel through Kings, and then Chronicles all the way through? Chronicles is a re-write of Samuel and Kings written 100-200 years later that tried to correct the “errors” of the earlier books. When 2 Samuel was written, it was at a time when Yahweh was considered the only deity. In Isaiah 45:7 written during the same time period, Yahweh creates light and darkness, good and evil. They hadn’t yet adopted the idea of a deity which fights against “God” in a cosmic struggle of good vs evil from the Persians. Later when Chronicles - a new fictive history intended to replace the earlier fictive history of Samuel through Kings - was written, they had already adopted Ahriman ha Satan from Persia to become modern “Satan”. When the Levite who wrote chronicles read that Yahweh incited David to sin, he simply changed the text to say Satan did it.
quote:David did murder and he was judged for it. He was also repentant. God, however, cannot murder.
Neither can David murder apparently. He became a Philistine raider and raided the clothing, cattle, and metals from Judeans (who presumably were Yahwist) and killed every man woman and child in the process. And Yahweh said everything David ever did was good, except what he did to Uriah the Hittite 1 Samuel 27:8-11 and 1 Kings 15:5
quote:The stories, themselves, “make sense” in light of the rest of Scripture and the character of God. You refuse to accept the truth because you are spiritually blind. You need to repent of your treason against the only true, triune God, put your trust in Jesus, or else you will be tormented forever.
You can tell me this all makes perfect sense…
Posted on 6/29/23 at 10:15 am to tommy2tone1999
quote:They did not. God gave us the Gospel, and the claim that the Church has done what God has done is consistent with other claims the RCC makes, which is precisely why I reject the RCC and believe they teach a contrary and false gospel that does not save.
The folks that gave you the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. Your anti-Catholic bigotry is duly noted.
If you believe that the blood of Christ did not fully atone for our sins and is received by the gift of faith alone, but believe more is to be done to save (additional works), then you do not believe the gospel of Jesus Christ, who saves freely and without cost.
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