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re: Trump will be able to legally pardon himself
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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No. New York state business records law
To my knowledge, they are also tying it (ludicrously) to New York state election laws.
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Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:26 pm to VolcanicTiger
Are you under the impression that city prosecutors can just bring Federal Charges whenever they want? 
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:27 pm to omegaman66
Anyone know the statute of limitations for these?
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:28 pm to dafif
Its complicated.
The SoL already passed for the "real" charge, a misdemeanor.
So they had to do some incredibly bullshite legal wrangling to make this a felony and I believe the SOL was 2024 for that.
Its total nonsense but we are here anyway.
The SoL already passed for the "real" charge, a misdemeanor.
So they had to do some incredibly bullshite legal wrangling to make this a felony and I believe the SOL was 2024 for that.
Its total nonsense but we are here anyway.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:29 pm to Fun Bunch
To make things more complicated, I think they have a weird tolling function if you're physically outside of NY or something.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:30 pm to Timeoday
If this is on the federal level, yes. On a state level, no.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
I have not followed the legal aspects of this case as closely as others, admittedly.
I've heard enough to know its total and complete nonsense.
I've heard enough to know its total and complete nonsense.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:30 pm to Fun Bunch
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Because I'm a lawyer and know what I am talking about and you do not?
You are utterly clueless.
Nope. You don't even know what the charges are, so there's that... The "falsifying business records" is a possibility, I suppose, but considering there is evidence of Cohen saying explicitly (before the plea deal) that he paid the money and was never coerced or reimbursed by Trump, and Stormy said that there was no sex... seems like a stretch. But then again, people tend to abandon all logic when it comes to TDS.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:32 pm to Willie Stroker
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:32 pm to VolcanicTiger
What don't you understand that this is the City of New York DA bringing state charges, not a Federal Prosecutor?
It is a state case. He cannot pardon himself for them.
Are...you under the impression that all "felonies" are Federal?
It is a state case. He cannot pardon himself for them.
Are...you under the impression that all "felonies" are Federal?
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:33 pm to Timeoday
quote:
By the time any indictment of any kind is adjudicated Trump will be President again with full pardon authority.
dang Trump really does have the dumbest voters
1- you cant pardon yourself
2- its a STATE crime he POTUS can only pardon FEDERAL crimes
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:34 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Well this is a good point.
Are you under the impression that city prosecutors can just bring Federal Charges whenever they want?
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:35 pm to Timeoday
quote:
Trump will be able to legally pardon himself
Negative, ghost rider. At least not for these charges.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:36 pm to VolcanicTiger
On the flipside, even if Merrick Garland:
Charged Trump with a crime
Got him convicted
Trump could still run for office and win. Nothing in the Constitution prevents him from doing so.
And there is no answer to whether he could actually pardon himself. Nothing in the Constitution specifically prevents it.
Charged Trump with a crime
Got him convicted
Trump could still run for office and win. Nothing in the Constitution prevents him from doing so.
And there is no answer to whether he could actually pardon himself. Nothing in the Constitution specifically prevents it.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:37 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:No... I don't remember all the criminal procedure crap from the 90's, I just don't have time to parse out all the details either, like if/when a state can enforce a federal law.
Are...you under the impression that all "felonies" are Federal?
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:37 pm to VolcanicTiger
Everything I have read is they are using New York State election law as the basis
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:39 pm to VolcanicTiger
quote:
like if/when a state can enforce a federal law.
Generally speaking they cannot.
Posted on 3/31/23 at 2:42 pm to VolcanicTiger
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You don't even know what the charges are, so there's that..
We know the jurisdiction.
You think a NYC ADA can moonlight as an AUSA and file charges in federal court based on NY state law?
This post was edited on 3/31/23 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 3/31/23 at 3:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Yes, thanks for not reading the last 10-15 posts.
We know the jurisdiction.
You think a NYC ADA can moonlight as an AUSA and file charges in federal court based on NY state law?
Posted on 3/31/23 at 3:32 pm to VolcanicTiger
quote:
Can’t pardon for state crimes, sorry
quote:
It's not a state crime.
VolcanicTiger was todays years old when he learned a felony does not mean it’s a Federal crime
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