re: Trump trying to end birthright citizenship

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Think about it. Obama wouldn't have been President. It's a great idea.

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without grounding in reality you do not have a chance

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It amazes me how short sighted people can be in regards to abuse of power when the end goal of the abuse I something they agree with. Did republicans forget about all the bull shite under 8 years of Obama orders?

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Or the Patriot act. For that matter. Republicans had no problem with when Bush passed it. But they saw the damage when Obama used it to spy on Trump.

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Why? What US citizens does it affect?

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Because it's part of our fricking Constitution you goddamn toothless frick.

Let the Supreme Court rule on the issue. The phrase of the 14th amendment can be interpreted quite differently.

#MAGA

I can’t believe he’s trying to do this but I’m slightly impressed even though it probably won’t work. Birthright citizenship is one of the dumbest things we have ever done.

What has SCOTUS said on this issue? Because that is where this is headed.

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So just to clarify...it's your position that the child of an illegal who is born and resides in the United States is not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. They are under no obligation to follow US laws, since they are not under US jurisdiction. And you're saying someone else doesn't understand the Constitution.

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You see. It’s not always a good idea to have so much hubris on a subject, when you are somewhat ignorant yourself.

Your laymen’s definition of “under the jurisdiction” is just that, and likely not applicable at all to the amendment. The Supreme Court Has stated that “jurisdiction is a word with many, too many, meanings”.

It is important to understand the meaning as applied to the 14th Amendment.

Your interpretation of “under the jurisdiction” is not that of the congress that passed the law. So perhaps slow down on the mocking other posters.

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He can't. This is just Trump's way of setting the agenda and forcing an issue to public discussion. Clarification of the 14th through the courts via judicial oversight or legislative action from congress are required to end birthright citizenship.

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True. But I wonder if all who claim BC from the date of issuance of Trump's EO, can be nullified from BC, IF the Courts ultimately find Trump's EO legit? Seems it will depend on the terminology of said EO, as such relates to Trump's authority re National Security.

A win for Border Security any way it goes.

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What has SCOTUS said on this issue?

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A late 19th century case, US v Ark held that babies born to legal residents on US soil should be citizens. That's about it.

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“all persons born in the us and not subject to any foreign power...are declared citizens of the United States”.

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hint: that means people who are citizens of other nations, and not ours. If a tourist from Japan comes here and is charged with a crime, they can go to their nation's embassy. They are still subjects of Japan. They are subjects of the jurisdiction of Japan, not the United States. The U.S. has reached treaties with Japan so that we can adjudicate crimes committed by Japanese citizens on our territory, but absent said agreement, we would have little authority to do so without provoking Japan to respond with force to recover their subject.