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re: Trump to sign 'right to try' bill next week
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:25 pm to the808bass
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:25 pm to the808bass
quote:
the808bass
Goddamn. You truly hate the idea of terminally ill people having the choice to take something not approved by the almighty government.
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Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:27 pm to FooManChoo
By his logic, Why are we even giving chemotherapy to cancer patients since it’s not guaranteed to cure them? Hell, I know some people who have gone through chemo and gotten worse.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:27 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
If you honestly would rather someone die than try an unapproved drug just because it isn't guaranteed to cure them, there's nothing left to debate with you, unless you want to tackle the problem of your worldview.
You’re creating a binary choice. It’s not a binary choice. If you want to pretend that it is always only ethical to expend every resource in medicine, then you haven’t thought very long about your worldview.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:28 pm to Plx1776
quote:
You truly hate the idea of terminally ill people having the choice to take something not approved by the almighty government.
It was my mistake for entering a nuanced argument into the poliboard circle jerk. I apologize.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:28 pm to the808bass
muh nuance
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:28 pm to TexasTiger86
quote:
Why are we even giving chemotherapy to cancer patients since it’s not guaranteed to cure them?
Your argument is getting progressively dumber.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:29 pm to the808bass
It’s your argument. At least you see that your argument was dumb.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:30 pm to the808bass
quote:
entering a nuanced argument
fricking beautiful man just beautiful.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:31 pm to the808bass
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probably would advise against it. Sometimes death happens. The chances of even extending life after a terminal diagnosis with an experimental medicine is almost minuscule. False hope isn’t hope.
Are you insane?
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:33 pm to the808bass
quote:For the topic at hand, yes, it's a binary choice. Either we want patients to voluntarily choose to expand their options in healthcare or we don't. That's what this bill seeks to do: give more options to terminally ill patients.
You’re creating a binary choice. It’s not a binary choice.
quote:My worldview is based on the moral law of God who commands us not only to refrain from unlawful killing but to preserve life as best as possible. If a person seeks to preserve their own life through additional treatment options, that is in agreement with my worldview.
If you want to pretend that it is always only ethical to expend every resource in medicine, then you haven’t thought very long about your worldview.
Perhaps you are thinking about forcing other people to take treatments that they don't want to take? I'm trying to understand where your mind is on this subject because you haven't been clear about your specific objections.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:34 pm to Breesus
Liberals
"we need to legalize pot for cancer patients, who really cares what the feds think"
also liberals
"no we must not allow patients to take any drugs that the feds have not approved of"
well it would be funny, if their complete lack of principles wasn't so damn scary.
"we need to legalize pot for cancer patients, who really cares what the feds think"
also liberals
"no we must not allow patients to take any drugs that the feds have not approved of"
well it would be funny, if their complete lack of principles wasn't so damn scary.
This post was edited on 5/25/18 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:37 pm to TexasTiger86
quote:Exactly! My brother got worse. His tumor grew after they changed his chemo drug. Also, he caught a staph infection from his immune system being compromised. That infection took five days to kill him. So frick chemo!
Hell, I know some people who have gone through chemo and gotten worse
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:38 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
My worldview is based on the moral law of God who commands us not only to refrain from unlawful killing but to preserve life as best as possible.
There is no moral law that states “thou shalt take chemotherapy.”
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:39 pm to the808bass
Correct.
Chemo and radiation are CHOICES.
Now people have more CHOICES.
What is wrong with you?
Chemo and radiation are CHOICES.
Now people have more CHOICES.
What is wrong with you?
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:41 pm to the808bass
The pharmaceutical companies would probably give them the experimental treatments for free to fast track approval if it works.
Do you have evidence that they are wanting to extort patients?
Do you have evidence that they are wanting to extort patients?
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:42 pm to TigerBait1971
quote:
Now people have more CHOICES. What is wrong with you?
I’m not opposed to more choices. But this isn’t going to save maybe even one person’s life. These laws have existed for years at the state level. Proponents cannot point to any marked improvement in access to care or lives saved.
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:43 pm to the808bass
quote:
There is no moral law that states “thou shalt take chemotherapy.”
How long ago was your accident?
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:43 pm to the808bass
quote:You know I've heard these same arguments against gun control. And yet the Left still wants it.
But this isn’t going to save maybe even one person’s life. These laws have existed for years at the state level. Proponents cannot point to any marked improvement in access to care or lives saved.
Cements my thought - If the Left hates it, it's a good thing to support
This post was edited on 5/25/18 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 5/25/18 at 12:44 pm to the808bass
quote:
I’m not opposed to more choices
Um...seems like you are.
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