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re: Trump: “The traitors that told the military to disobey my orders should be in jail”

Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:56 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135236 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:56 am to
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He used codes: agreed-upon insider terms that carry a hidden, specific meaning understood only by the intended group.
That is false.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
37684 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 11:59 am to
It was several days back. But you are correct. I went and re-edited. It does match up with a video. Sorry for any confusion. I don’t remember where I got it. Probably some news hack that used AI to generate a transcription and AI took it upon him on herself to use interpretation. It also incorporated their very brief introductions. Sorry for any confusion.
This post was edited on 11/23/25 at 12:03 pm
Posted by SallysHuman
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Member since Jan 2025
13310 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 12:02 pm to
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It was several days back. But you are correct. I went and re-edited. It does match up with a video. Sorry for any confusion. I don’t remember where I got it. Probably some news hack that used AI to generate a transcription and AI took it upon him on herself to use interpretation. Sorry for any confusion.


No, you're all good... While RA found it easy enough, I had a very hard time locating the text and had zero desire to listen a thousand times to type the whole thing out.

Finding accurate info is tough, no harm no foul.

Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
37684 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 12:03 pm to
Posted by TigerAxeOK
Where I lay my head is home.
Member since Dec 2016
35193 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 12:07 pm to
He took the bait. This will further feed the narrative that his orders were "illegal orders".

Did he have a choice to respond any other way? Probably not. But to the ignorant Left, this is going to come across as his "admission" that he is illegally ordering troops to oppress "American citizens".

It's bullshite, but you gotta give it to the Dim Establishment - they're really good at gaslighting their retarded sheep.
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
Member since Oct 2025
1100 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 12:09 pm to
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so both your text and Tange's are correct- they just need to be spliced together?
I guess.

The problem is that it is not a script released by the authors, but rather two different people trying to transcribe what they heard in the video.

You almost always get small differences in transcription ... sometimes even from two trained court reporters.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56008 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 12:10 pm to
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Thats the kind of emotional overreaction Democrats were looking for.


A statement of fact is only considered emotional overreaction to over emotional liberal women. Like you.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Member since Jan 2025
13310 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 12:11 pm to
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The problem is that it is not a script released by the authors, but rather two different people trying to transcribe what they heard in the video.


Fair enough... they oughta just release their own script and let people mull it over.
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
56008 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 12:11 pm to
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At least one Trump appointed judge agrees with you in the case of Portland.


Now do LA. And the appellate courts.
Posted by Texdelmag
Delaware
Member since Aug 2020
929 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 12:16 pm to
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Reality doesn't matter to y'all. Crazy part is, y'all actually think the majority of America thinks like y'all lmao. Like the majority of America believes things with no proof. Like the majority of America sees Trump as God and only his word matters. Y'all would get slaughtered if y'all got violent in mass numbers. Like literally. Y'all are too fricking dumb to actually be dangerous. Y'all will welcome anyone who dick sucks Trump and get yall whole crew of cornballs knocked off overnight. fricking idiots man smh.


Like literally okay. Like right.

You know how I know you’re trans? Cause you’re mentally unstable. Get help sir.
This post was edited on 11/23/25 at 12:20 pm
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3454 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 12:17 pm to
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Now do LA. And the appellate courts.

Completely irrelevant. One judge determining the president is issuing unlawful orders is sufficient to issue a WARNING. Nobody is making the claim that all of Trump's orders are unlawful.

You're trying way too hard.

Warning troops not to follow unlawful orders after a judge has determined an order to be unlawful is not sedition. It just isn't, no matter how badly you want it to be.

Trump's other lie is that the penalty for sedition is death, when it is only a fine or imprisonment of not more than twenty years, or both.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
37375 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 12:18 pm to
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That is false.
You're right. But not for the reason you think. I spent the last half hour actually looking at the appellate record and he wasn't speaking in metaphor or even clever symbolism. He gave explicit instructions. Actual directives about real targets.

From the Second Circuit opinion in United States v. Rahman:

-He told one follower to “turn his rifle’s barrel to President Mubarak’s chest, and kill him.”

-He told another “Carry out this operation. Go ahead.” referring to the assassination plan.

-On a parishioner asking if he understood his instructions to bomb civilians “Yes, it’s a must, it’s a duty.”

-Another metaphor: “plan to destroy or bomb or inflict damage to the American Army.”

That is what a seditious conspiracy conviction looks like. People asking him for permission to kill specific people and bomb specific locations, and him giving them the green light.

Trying to compare that to “refuse illegal orders” is not serious and between this and your daycare analogy I'm starting to suspect you aren't a serious person. The PSA repeats the actual UCMJ requirement. It gives no target, no plan, no hidden meaning, and no operational approval of any kind. It does not tell anyone to refuse lawful orders, and unless you are ready to argue Trump gives illegal ones, there is no sedition angle to work with.

Posted by lsugorilla
PNW
Member since Sep 2009
6397 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 12:19 pm to
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Not one serious legal scholar has taken this position, Donald.


They want to remain anonymous
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71165 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 12:26 pm to
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WHERE were these protectors of the military when Biden and his thugs were forcing them to take that unproven Covid shot, and persecuting those that would not?

Even after we knew they were wronged for certain WHERE WERE THEY to right the wrong?

Even Donald and crew didn't right the wrong on that. They offered them their jobs back only if they signed a statement that they were in no way coerced or pressured by the government to take the vaccine.
This post was edited on 11/23/25 at 12:27 pm
Posted by RelentlessAnalysis
Member since Oct 2025
1100 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 12:30 pm to
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Warning troops not to follow unlawful orders after a judge has determined an order to be unlawful is not sedition. It just isn't, no matter how badly you want it to be
BBonds has specifically stated that he does not believe the Tweet to constitute "sedition" under section 2384.

ETA: My apologies. That was Godfather, but I suspect that BBonds agrees ... because he appears to be a competent attorney.
This post was edited on 11/23/25 at 12:34 pm
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135236 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 12:40 pm to
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Actual directives about real targets.

From the Second Circuit opinion in United States v. Rahman:

-He told one follower to “turn his rifle’s barrel to President Mubarak’s chest, and kill him.”

-He told another “Carry out this operation. Go ahead.” referring to the assassination plan.

-On a parishioner asking if he understood his instructions to bomb civilians “Yes, it’s a must, it’s a duty.”
You insinuate you have a source. Link it.
Posted by antibarner
Member since Oct 2009
25960 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 1:04 pm to
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Even Donald and crew didn't right the wrong on that. They offered them their jobs back only if they signed a statement that they were in no way coerced or pressured by the government to take the vaccine.


Havent heard that Link please but it still doesn't clear the hypocrite Democrats we are discussing.


They should be arrested and lets see how the legal system deals with them.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293632 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 1:08 pm to
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A statement of fact is only considered emotional overreaction to over emotional liberal women. Like Trump


Fixed it for you buddy...
Posted by Harry Boutte
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2024
3454 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 1:20 pm to
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he appears to be a competent attorney

That he may be, but he's certainly a troll.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
East Texas Lake
Member since Sep 2018
22255 posts
Posted on 11/23/25 at 1:25 pm to
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How can telling people to follow the law and Constitution be sedition?


When following military or CIA or FBI orders, who decides what is and isn't Constitutional.
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