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Trump Tax Windfall Going to Capex Way Faster Than Stock Buyback, largest capex in 7 years

Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:34 pm
Posted by HailHailtoMichigan!
Mission Viejo, CA
Member since Mar 2012
69289 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:34 pm
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Chalk up a win for capex.

After months of heated debate over whether companies would hand the biggest tax break in three decades back to shareholders or reinvest it in their businesses, there’s finally some hard data.

Among the 130 companies in the S&P 500 that have reported results in this earnings season, capital spending increased by 39 percent, the fastest rate in seven years, data compiled by UBS AG show. Meanwhile, returns to shareholders are growing at a much slower pace, with net buybacks rising 16 percent. Dividends saw an 11 percent boost.




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The data is a fresh rebuttal to those who warned that hundreds of billions of dollars of tax relief will head directly to the stock market and be harvested by shareholders already fattened by a nine-year bull market. While buybacks indeed got a boost from the windfall, companies increased the rate at which they unleash cash for building factories and upgrading equipment, a strategy that’s preferred by investors for the benefit of future growth.


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Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
31848 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:37 pm to
Yes but does this make up for the dead lining the streets as a result of tax cuts?
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:37 pm to
you mean they arent just putting it in a box and burying it like Losh said?
Posted by TigerBait1971
PTC GA
Member since Oct 2014
14865 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:38 pm to
omg the winning must stop
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:41 pm to
#thisisjustcrumbs
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:47 pm to
this article only talks about percentage change in capex & buybacks/dividends, and not talk about the actual change in each?

i mean it doesn't even mention the starting point for each. don't we already know that investment has been low & profits high?

we need to see a spike in private domestic investment and/or wages. not only that, it needs to be sustained

this is not very helpful for informing the debate. it's only helpful for narrative purposes
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:48 pm to
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with net buybacks rising 16 percent.
This was before Apple announced its massive buyback right?
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:51 pm to
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This was before Apple announced its massive buyback right?


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Among the 130 companies in the S&P 500 that have reported results in this earnings season

we'll start seeing official data on private investment and wages soon enough
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:53 pm to
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this article only talks about percentage change in capex & buybacks/dividends, and not talk about the actual change in each?



using percentages is way to normalize across companies and across sectors.

you know that. why quibble? Are you angry?
Posted by Jorts R Us
Member since Aug 2013
14808 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:54 pm to
Repatriation holidays = stock buybacks

Move to participation exemption = reinvest through capex spending
Posted by Uncle Stu
#AlbinoLivesMatter
Member since Aug 2004
33659 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:55 pm to
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but does this make up for the dead lining the streets as a result of tax cuts?

how do I tell if Im stepping over dead bodies from tax cuts or net neutrality?
Posted by carlsoda
B Rah
Member since Dec 2009
5776 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:57 pm to
Probably angry. It’s hard to spin doom and gloom with reports like that. I am literally screaming at the sky right now
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
19943 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:57 pm to
Corporate crumbs
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58671 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:57 pm to
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90proofprofessional


You are such a curmudgeon on this board now.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:57 pm to
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using percentages is way to normalize across companies and across sectors.

we haven't been told anything about the relative baselines of capex vs these various forms of profit-taking

if the baselines are very different, "normalizing" does the opposite of informing one

you know that.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112613 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:58 pm to
What narrative do you buy? Are you upset that more tax money won't be going to government programs?
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:58 pm to
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You are such a curmudgeon on this board now.

I do bristle at undue cheerleading, it's true.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 4:59 pm to
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we haven't been told anything about the relative baselines of capex vs these various forms of profit-taking

if the baselines are very different, "normalizing" does the opposite of informing one





the graph and data are clearly y/y. It says so. The baseline is an autoregressive one.



seriously, Trump winning broke you just as bad as VOR.
Posted by 90proofprofessional
Member since Mar 2004
24445 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 5:00 pm to
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What narrative do you buy?

like i said, i'll see after investment & wage data has started rolling in

Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35236 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 5:01 pm to
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