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re: Trump tariffs blocked by US Court of International Trade

Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:40 pm to
Posted by Robcrzy
Mandeville
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:40 pm to
And just in fricking case you ask what’s unfair

• High tariffs: Countries like the EU (50% on dairy), Japan (700% on rice), and India (100% on agricultural products) impose much higher tariffs on U.S. goods than the U.S. does on theirs.
• Non-tariff barriers: China uses measures like restrictive regulations to limit U.S. agricultural exports (e.g., soybeans, pork).
• Subsidies: Some nations, like China, heavily subsidize industries (e.g., steel, renewables), making their goods cheaper than U.S. products.
• Currency manipulation: Countries like China have been accused of devaluing their currency to make their exports cheaper.
• Data restrictions: Some governments require U.S. companies to store data locally, discriminating against them and raising costs.
• Intellectual property theft: China’s policies often force U.S. firms to share technology, leading to IP theft costing billions annually.
• Import quotas: Japan uses complex quotas on U.S. seafood, restricting market access.
• Bans on remanufactured goods: Countries like Brazil and Vietnam restrict U.S. exports of like-new, sustainable products.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:44 pm to
Sounds like you ought to send your thoughts to your Congressman and tell them to pass a tariff.

I also recommend reading this case because it is about tariffs under the IEEPA.
This post was edited on 5/28/25 at 10:48 pm
Posted by Zgeo
Baja Oklahoma
Member since Jul 2021
3227 posts
Posted on 5/28/25 at 11:57 pm to
Ha ha let them enforce their piece of paper….
Posted by trinidadtiger
Member since Jun 2017
18911 posts
Posted on 5/29/25 at 2:48 am to
Lets go back to the beginning.....

Why does this court exist at all, we have courts for this process.

Its because congress set up this court to specifically control what the President can do regarding trade.

Its the same thing regarding the impoundment act of 1974, it had nothing to do with governing and everything to do with controlling the executive branch by not allowing them to stop wasteful spending.

We have gone from a room full of men from diverse backgrounds working partime in congress, to hundreds of lawyers, pretending to be congressmen, working full time to employ millions of people.......which requires 1000s of new laws and regulations so no one looks behind the curtain.
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/29/25 at 2:49 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135805 posts
Posted on 5/29/25 at 4:17 am to
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The decisions of the Manhattan-based Court of International Trade, which hears disputes involving international trade and customs laws, can be appealed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in Washington, D.C., and ultimately the U.S. Supreme Court.
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"The court does not pass upon the wisdom or likely effectiveness of the President's use of tariffs as leverage," a three-judge panel said in the decision to issue a permanent injunction on the blanket tariff orders issued by Trump since January. "That use is impermissible not because it is unwise or ineffective, but because [federal law] does not allow it."

Financial markets cheered the ruling. The U.S. dollar rallied following the court's order, surging against currencies such as the euro, yen and the Swiss franc in particular. Wall Street futures rose and equities across Asia also jumped.

The judges also ordered the Trump administration to issue new orders reflecting the permanent injunction within 10 days. The Trump administration minutes later filed a notice of appeal and questioned the authority of the court.

LINK
So we have a set of judges who admit the strategic wisdom of tariffs. That judicial admission comes within an environment where a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs has testified that the greatest security threat facing the US is our debt and ongoing deficits. We have a budgetary situation where we on the cusp of losing control over treasury rates as well as credit ratings. Meanwhile, Congress has barely issued a peep of complaint about EB usurpation of LB power, which is the entire premise of the court's imposition. Yet, this set of judges, in its infinite wisdom, denies the presence of an economic emergency, and denies it with such vigor so as to impose a permanent injunction to begin in 10 days? Well that is just great.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
80348 posts
Posted on 5/29/25 at 4:28 am to
If the courts tell us that we will have to depend on Congress to save us, then we are doomed.

That place is a den of corruption whose only goal is to grift from the public treasury.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
9213 posts
Posted on 5/29/25 at 4:37 am to
I feel like a basic civics lesson is needed. Under the Constitution:
-Congress writes laws (Article I)
-The President executes those laws (Article II)
-The Courts interpret those laws (Article III)

For whatever reason Congress isn't addressing trade imbalances through tariffs. Don't like it? Vote in better Congressmen.

The Court's ruling wasn't bizarre or "a judicial coup":

"A federal court on Wednesday froze most of the sweeping tariffs imposed by President Trump on virtually every foreign nation, ruling the levies exceed the president's legal authority.

The ruling — issued by a panel of judges on the U.S. Court of International Trade — halted the sweeping 10% tariffs Mr. Trump assessed on virtually every U.S. trading partner on "Liberation Day" last month, with higher tariffs threatened for dozens of countries. The court also blocked a separate set of tariffs imposed on China, Mexico and Canada by the Trump administration, which has cited drug trafficking and illegal immigration as its reasoning for the hikes.

Global markets rallied on the news.

The Trump administration has justified the tariffs by citing the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977, or IEEPA, which gives the president the power to regulate imports during certain emergency situations. But the court on Wednesday rejected the government's interpretation of the law, and said it would be unconstitutional for any law passed by Congress to give the president blanket authority to set tariffs.

"The court does not read IEEPA to confer such unbounded authority and sets aside the challenged tariffs imposed thereunder," the judges wrote Wednesday.

The court said Mr. Trump's global 10% tariffs aren't authorized by IEEPA because they're designed to deal with trade imbalances between the U.S. and the rest of the world, which the judges said should fall under non-emergency legislation.

And the China, Canada and Mexico tariffs aren't legal because they "do not deal with the threats set forth in those orders," the court also found.

The three judges who wrote Wednesday's ruling were nominated to the bench by former President Ronald Reagan, former President Barack Obama and Mr. Trump in his first term."

Posted by theballguy
Member since Oct 2011
32600 posts
Posted on 5/29/25 at 4:39 am to
Seems like the advice he gets is similar to a lot of the “advice” one would find on this board. Man what a shite show this administration can be at times.

A lot of the stuff here is just pure populist fantasy.
This post was edited on 5/29/25 at 4:41 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135805 posts
Posted on 5/29/25 at 4:39 am to
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If the courts tell us that we will have to depend on Congress to save us, then we are doomed.
In part, because the court acknowledges the wisdom of Trump's approach, as Congress has simultaneously forwarded itself as a completely disinterested party, and quite willing to cede tariff rights to the EB in this debate. If Congress wants the responsibility, shouldn't it be making the claim?
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
80348 posts
Posted on 5/29/25 at 4:41 am to
quote:

Don't like it? Vote in better Congressmen.

We're doomed.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/29/25 at 4:42 am to
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How is levying a tariff on Canada or Australia advancing our national security?
What is the single greatest threat to US national security? Answer that question, and you'll answer your own at the same time.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
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Posted on 5/29/25 at 4:49 am to
quote:

I feel like a basic civics lesson is needed.
Do you now?
Really?

So within the genius of your "basic civics lesson," please address the Korean WAR, the Vietnamese WAR, the Persian Gulf WAR, the WAR in Iraq, the WAR in Afghanistan with not the remotest of discussion of a Declaration of War in any of those instances.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
9213 posts
Posted on 5/29/25 at 4:52 am to
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So within the genius of your "basic civics lesson," please address the Korean WAR, the Vietnamese WAR, the Persian Gulf WAR, the WAR in Iraq, the WAR in Afghanistan with not the remotest of discussion of a Declaration of War in any of those instances.


They were all unconstitutional.
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
9213 posts
Posted on 5/29/25 at 4:59 am to
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Seems like the advice he gets is similar to a lot of the “advice” one would find on this board.


I got raked over the coals when the Canada/Mexico/China tariffs were tied to "trafficking and fentanyl" by pointing out that the tariffs weren't designed to address those "emergencies."

Reality can't be manufactured by Stephen Miller. Reality won.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 5/29/25 at 5:00 am to
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They were all unconstitutional.
Link?

For your "basic civics lesson," checkout "Dellums v. Bush". As part of the lesson, pay specific attention to the Court's comments about Congressional involvement.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135805 posts
Posted on 5/29/25 at 5:05 am to
quote:

I got raked over the coals when the Canada/Mexico/China tariffs were tied to "trafficking and fentanyl"
The fentanyl issue was an out from previous trade agreements, not a justification for Constitutionality of the action.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
48198 posts
Posted on 5/29/25 at 5:06 am to
quote:

We have gone from a room full of men from diverse backgrounds working partime in congress, to hundreds of lawyers, pretending to be congressmen, working full time to employ millions of people.......which requires 1000s of new laws and regulations so no one looks behind the curtain.


THIS is the most succinct statement that covers at least 90% of my concerns which I have spent several decades and tens of thousands of words trying to convey.

I think you have nailed it to the wall -
Posted by IvoryBillMatt
Member since Mar 2020
9213 posts
Posted on 5/29/25 at 5:07 am to
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Link?


Article I of the Constitution. Yes, there have been times when the Courts have deferred to the Executive under the "political question" doctrine....that is a side show.

As to the issue at hand, Trump could have persuaded the Republican Congress to enact tariffs. Instead, he tried to invoke IEEPA. Some of us called BS at the time. We were right.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135805 posts
Posted on 5/29/25 at 5:15 am to
quote:

...that is a side show.
NO!
It is referred to as Legal Precedent, aka "the law."

In accordance with Article I and II, a POTUS absolutely has the right to issue tariffs. FULL STOP. That is an indisputable fact.

As with the war issue, the sole question is as to circumstances allowing Executive action without a formal act of Congress.
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