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re: Trump should end endless war on drugs?

Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:12 pm to
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
53777 posts
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:12 pm to
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Dude. If drugs were legal and cheaper, it would be LESS likely for your scenario to exist.


What if demand goes up?
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17324 posts
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:13 pm to
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Why isn't this true for liquor?
It is, sort of. I mean, people still make moonshine and sell it illegally.

Of course, when you can buy a liter of Evan Willams or Popov for 10 bucks it kinda takes away the appeal to risk arrest (and lead poisoning) for getting your booze from a bootlegger.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79830 posts
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:13 pm to
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What he ABSOLUTELY should do is pound the ever-loving shite out of Kamala Harris


It’s been done. By numerous other guys.
Posted by Redleg Guy
Member since Nov 2012
2536 posts
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:14 pm to
Legalizing marijuana and releasing everyone in jail for non-violent marijuana possession/distribution is the easiest political and policy win.

Leave it to the states how they want to tax it just like alcohol.

Treat adults like adults.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33577 posts
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:14 pm to
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What if demand goes up?
Then theoretically prices could go up in the immediate term. Longer-term, I would expect economies of industrial scale to take hold and drive prices ever lower.
Posted by Torqued Pork
Malvern
Member since Sep 2020
3644 posts
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:14 pm to
I think the nation's youth is plenty stupid already.
Posted by Redleg Guy
Member since Nov 2012
2536 posts
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:15 pm to
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What if demand goes up?

Then the free market would increase production.
Posted by Ramblin Wreck
Member since Aug 2011
3899 posts
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:15 pm to
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You posited that murder and/or stealing somehow ever constituted scenarios in which nobody else was hurt.


Sarcasm my friend, sarcasm to show how ridiculous the argument of how drugs don’t hurt anyone argument is. They destroy families whether they are legal or not. Yes alcohol, gambling and a bunch of other stuff not done in moderation does too. Why add one more that is addictive to everyone to the list?
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
53777 posts
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:15 pm to
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Let’s legalize murder and stealing also.


I said it ( drug habit or addiction) would be a crime if you impacted another person's rights.

All the homeless druggies would have to set up tents elsewhere...they impact the public...negativity
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33577 posts
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:15 pm to
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It is, sort of. I mean, people still make moonshine and sell it illegally.
Bootlegging is at the margin and there is little to no illegal/violent gang activity supporting it.

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Of course, when you can buy a liter of Evan Willams or Popov for 10 bucks it kinda takes away the appeal to risk arrest (and lead poisoning) for getting your booze from a bootlegger.
Correct. The same types of economies of scale that would likely arise from legalization.
Posted by MeatCleaverWeaver
Member since Oct 2013
22175 posts
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:15 pm to
You really need to define what “the war on drugs” is that you want to end?

Complete legalization? Partial? Reduced federal funding? Abolishment of funding? Etc etc

Not being a smart A , to me it can just mean a lot of different things.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20919 posts
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:15 pm to
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What if demand goes up?


People who want drugs right now have absolutely no bar to getting them. Making it legal will simply eliminate the federal money gravy train that goes to local cities and state govt's.
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
53777 posts
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:16 pm to
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Then the free market would increase production


What about the border wall?

Trump wanted it to stop drugs from hitting our streets.
Posted by Ramblin Wreck
Member since Aug 2011
3899 posts
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:17 pm to
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People who want drugs right now have absolutely no bar to getting them. Making it legal will simply eliminate the federal money gravy train that goes to local cities and state govt's.


Now convince me that addiction rates won’t sky rocket and be a detriment to society as a whole and I’ll listen.
Posted by Caplewood
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2010
39156 posts
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:18 pm to
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They destroy families whether they are legal or not. Yes alcohol, gambling and a bunch of other stuff not done in moderation does too. Why add one more that is addictive to everyone to the list?


This board doesn’t care about the impact on society as a whole. Rugged individualism! Thinking about anything other than yourself is communism!
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33577 posts
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:18 pm to
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Sarcasm my friend, sarcasm to show how ridiculous the argument of how drugs don’t hurt anyone argument is. They destroy families whether they are legal or not. Yes alcohol, gambling and a bunch of other stuff not done in moderation does too. Why add one more that is addictive to everyone to the list?
Your position that all drug use hurts people other than the user is untenable. There are literally millions of recreational marijuana users who are fully functioning adults merely enjoying a substance like alcohol.

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Why add one more that is addictive to everyone to the list?
OK. Psychedelics are not addictive and have known very positive benefits for users. What say you about those?
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
33577 posts
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:21 pm to
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This board doesn’t care about the impact on society as a whole. Rugged individualism! Thinking about anything other than yourself is communism!
Tell us more about the social engineering plans you have in other areas. Your implicit assumption is that, not only is government good at spotting problem areas, but it is also good and competent at using the violent force of government in order to manage to the desired outcome.

Know what you sound like?
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
18318 posts
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:21 pm to
There can't be real reform w/o ending drug prohibition, imo.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
124522 posts
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:22 pm to
He doesn’t know a thing. He’s too stupid to reason with.

He probably thinks everyone who smokes a joint is some worthless homeless street junkie.

Much more likely is the professionals that deal with high stress jobs every day use it to unwind. Or the old gramma down the street gets her grandson to pick some up from someone he knows so she can bake cookies to help with the side effects from her chemo.

Are there loser potheads? Sure

But there are far more responsible people, at least away from the Left Coast
Posted by Redleg Guy
Member since Nov 2012
2536 posts
Posted on 9/25/20 at 3:23 pm to
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Yes alcohol, gambling and a bunch of other stuff not done in moderation does too. Why add one more that is addictive to everyone to the list?

None of those things you listed are the problem, it is when people combine them with an illegal act an individual does. Removing the medium because someone might do something illegal with them is the same argument for making guns illegal.

Can’t have alcohol, someone might drive drunk. Can’t have guns, someone might shoot someone.
This post was edited on 9/25/20 at 3:24 pm
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