re: Trump says "major economic development transactions" between Russia & the U.S. are coming

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We’re treating them the exact same way they treat us,

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nd as they have been for decades.

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I'm down to trade with anyone, but trading the EU for Russia just doesn't seem to be +EV in the long term.

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Have we said we will stop trading with the EU? I thought we were just going to stop footing so much of the bill for their defense. I don't think we are going to start paying for Russia's defense. So this just sounds like increasing trade partners to me.

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Have we said we will stop trading with the EU? I

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This along with their purported support of Ukraine (while being left out of negotiations), and outwardly insulting leaders like Macron doesn't sound like a very positive situation right now.


I'm not even talking about NATO specifically. I'll believe the admin is serious about cuts to the military when I see the proposal on paper.

You laugh, but I see nothing wrong with reciprocal tariffs. Our products should get the same chance in their markets as theirs do in ours A.lot of middle class manufacturing jobs have moved offshore in recent decades and any move to bring some back should be supported.

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A.lot of middle class manufacturing jobs have moved offshore in recent decades and any move to bring some back should be supported.

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As has been discussed a ton, an economic reality where these jobs are viable ("middle class" is a bit hopeful, lower-middle or lower is much more likely) only occurs with a delta in the pricing of goods, which means that delta also removes spending in the other, more productive/EV+ areas of our economy. That will lead to economic and SOL devolution (the Russian model, post-2014, if you will).

This is just one of those examples where people parrot talking points (some form of "they're taking advantage of us!") without looking at the bigger picture. During this period where Europe was supposedly having all of these advantages, how did their economy compare with the US economy? Looks like we got the better end of the stick by a pretty significant margin, and we're both in place to maintain this lead and develop a bigger gap by focusing on these higher-end areas of our economy ( along with O/G, which Europe stupidly rejected for Green initiatives that are killing their economy).

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I'm down to trade with anyone, but trading the EU for Russia just doesn't seem to be +EV in the long term.

ESPECIALLY if we're already creating friction in our 2 other closest allies and trading partners (Canada, Mexico) at the same time.

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Not all trade $s are equal. Access to rare earth minerals and the mentioned titanium etc. are worth far more to the US than a BMW or something else imported from Europe that is already made here or easily replaced.

Closer ties to Russia are also good in that we don't want them too cozy with China and Russia is on the wrong side of demographic trends.

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However, natural gas purchases by the EU from Russia has not been completely phased out,

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Uh...the way you word this makes it appear you are implying that the EU is trying to reduce NG purchase from Russia. That would not be true. It is still increasing.

If EU can have economic ties to Russia, so can the USA.

Slo you are such a twit,

"our allies"???? We gave them uncounted billions with the Marshall Plan never repaid, while we protected them from Russia. We formed NATO and few ever paid their 2% of GDP. And then for good measure, when we helped them join the first world again.....they repaid us by forming the EU so they could fck us on trade.

And when it looked like we had a president that might make America first, our "five eyes" intel allies helped with the russiagate plot to ensure we continued to provide the gravy train they have become accustomed to for 80 years.

Maybe we have more in common with Russia than Europe, they certainly could not be less "loyal".

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Black Rock is gonna' have the sads that they backed the Dems in Ukraine.

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That’s okay. He’s gonna let them team up with Paul Singer at Elliot Capital and take BP, the UKs oil company.

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The theme I've noticed recently in foreign policy with y'all seems to be "we can treat our closest and more important allies like total shite and they'll just take it" and we pretend like that will not have any issues down the road. It's the same with Canada, Mexico, the EU, etc. The only outlier seems to be Russia, apparently, and they are small potatoes in terms of even the ability to be a trade partner (as they're so poor with such a shitty economy/GDP).

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You left out the part about how our "allies" have been taking advantage of us, especially during brain dead Biden's term, yet still criticizing us.
The UK had people over here helping the Dems in their election campaign.
Trump isn't treating them like shite, he's simply reestablishing the pecking order and putting America first.